<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>64-bit Gem on Mac OS X could drop Quicktime/Carbon in favor of gstreamer and/or gmerlin which I believe is already implemented on GNU/Linux. Then its just window management, which doesn't seem so huge, but I haven't done it before.</div><div><br></div><div>Am I right in assuming that Gem could really benefit by 64-bit because it would allow it to use more than 4 gigs of RAM?</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><br><div><div>On Oct 7, 2009, at 11:26 AM, chris clepper wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">There is no 64 bit Carbon support at all. Apple killed it years ago.<br><br>All of the window management and Quicktime code is Carbon. The rewrite for Cocoa and 64 bit would be hundreds if not thousands of hours of work. <br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div style=""><div><br></div><div>There seems to be some 64-bit support for Carbon, considering the Carbon framework is shipped as 64-bit in 10.5. I know that Carbon is basically deprecated, but IIRC, some parts of it are 64-bit. Which parts rely on Carbon?</div> <div><br></div><div><div>file /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon </div><div>/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon: Mach-O universal binary with 4 architectures</div><div>/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture ppc7400):<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Mach-O dynamically linked shared library ppc</div> <div>/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture ppc64):<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Mach-O 64-bit dynamically linked shared library ppc64</div><div>/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture i386):<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Mach-O dynamically linked shared library i386</div> <div>/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Carbon (for architecture x86_64):<span style="white-space: pre;"> </span>Mach-O 64-bit dynamically linked shared library x86_64</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div> </div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div><div>On Oct 7, 2009, at 8:18 AM, chris clepper wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">GEM uses Carbon which is not 64 bit. Most apps (Photoshop, ProTools, etc) on OSX have no path to 64 bit without a nearly complete rewrite.<br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at" target="_blank">hans@at.or.at</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div><div><br></div><div>Why not?</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><div><div></div> <div><br><div><div>On Oct 6, 2009, at 4:54 PM, chris clepper wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">It never will be 64 bit on OSX.<br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at" target="_blank">hans@at.or.at</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> For this upcoming Pd-extended 0.42 release, we should start releasing 64-bit builds. 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