[PD-dev] First attempt at "list" object uploaded
Hans-Christoph Steiner
hans at eds.org
Thu Jul 28 02:00:10 CEST 2005
On Jul 27, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 08:52:10AM -0400, B. Bogart wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've been barely able to keep up with this thread. Lots of ideas and
>> changes. Here I agree with everything that HC has to say.
>>
>> I'm also a bit confused (anoyed) about the whole list vs nonlist
>> things
>> just for the reasons HC mentions. Miller, you said it is probably
>> "better" to use lists rather than lists that do not start with "list"
>> as
>> the first element, non-lists. Why is this?? I think a list should be:
>>
>> * interpreted in many cases as a non-list. (ie creating OSC names for
>> example, [list send /hello/blah value] automatically gets rid of the
>> "list" part because it knows what to do about it.
>>
>> * be able to contain a mix of symbols and float atoms
>>
>> * there be only be one "list-like" thing, I don't know what this would
>> make a non-list into... an undefined list? One would not need a
>> non-list if the first point above was true and the "list" part not
>> considered part of the list. (NOT the first element, but something
>> invisible that you never need to see, like "float [float]" where I
>> have never had the need to worry about it but the damn list selector
>> comes up all the time. :(
>>
>> Thats all for me.
>>
> Well, there's an attempt to straighten this out in a subpatch of the
> "list"
> help window...
How much would it change things to make a message with a "list"
selector always behave as a list? (i.e. the [print] and [route]
examples that I gave and the [x.wav 44100( example that you gave) I
think that alone would go a really long way to making the whole
list/non-list thing much easier to work with. If I could just [prepend
list] to everything and everything would then be treated as a list
everywhere, I would be much happier.
Just out of curiosity, is Max/MSP setup the same way or are things
different with list/non-lists?
.hc
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