[PD-dev] initbang and friends

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Thu, 8/26/10, IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at> wrote:

> From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
> Subject: Re: [PD-dev] initbang and friends
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Cc: pd-dev at iem.at
> Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 9:05 AM
> On 2010-08-25 19:16, Jonathan Wilkes
> wrote:
> > 
> > Also, if you roll too many of your own in Pd, you end
> up doing so at the 
> > expense of portability.  I don't want to send a
> library of my hacks to 
> > standard objects with every patch I show to someone
> else.
> > 
> 
> the implementation i attached in my last email was
> pd-vanilla.
> 
> it's a simple drop-in replacement abstraction for
> [loadbang] which does
> approximately what you asked for (i used single click
> rather than double
> click).

I thought it wasn't possible to override internal objects with 
abstractions.  (I'm guessing I'm right since you named your 
object "myloadbang" and not "loadbang".)

So why are you calling your example a "drop-in replacement"?

> 
> i don't consider "abstractions" to be "hacks" (at least as
> long as you
> give any of the usual negative connotations to the word).

It's a hack in the negative sense because I'm forced to care 
about whether I remembered to send the abstraction along with any 
patch where I use [myloadbang].  Or I have to remember to _not_ 
use myloadbang in simple patches, or remember to search and 
replace before I send it, or to zip it up with the patch.  
I'd rather have a hack in the positive sense, where I can really 
drop in my [loadbang] abstraction, make it 
override the internal, use the small convenience that I think it 
adds, then just send my vanilla patch to others (who, if they're 
just going to run my patch, aren't going to see the patching 
convenience of the abstraction anyway).

I think there are other situations where the user would like to 
try out a tweak to an internal object.  
For example, I might use a Max compatible [t] object and just 
continue to use it the way it is in Pd, but when my friends who 
use Max send me one of their patches their [t f 0] objects will 
work correctly.

-Jonathan

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