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<br><div><div>On May 18, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Rich E wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""><div><br><div>Honestly, Tcl/Tk does a much better job than GTK on Mac OS X and maybe Windows too. GTK apps look like, well, GTK apps. Tcl/Tk apps can be made to be quite native in feel.</div> </div></div></blockquote><div><br>I guess I am thinking more of functionality. I feel like I have hit a wall with pd's data structs, as the things I want to do are either impossible or too slow with tk (If anyone can think of a way to make a playhead auto scroll in a data-struct - score, I may stand corrected). </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Personally, the thought of using cario or opengl widgets for controlling pd is appealing. So much that I am experimenting with a seperate app, coded in gtk/opengl, for controlling pd through OSC. I just don't see any reason why not to have it as the native pd GUI as well. Not that I can do it at present, or that cario/opengl will ever be in pd-vanilla, just dreaming.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I haven't look in-depth into the data structures drawing code, but if it is anything like the other drawing commands, then it uses delete/create to move things. That's very slow. If it was changed to use "move" commands, it could be a lot faster.</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br> <br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""><div><div> Tcl/Tk's big lack right now is native GNOME (and maybe KDE?) panels. I've looked for a way to use native GNOME open/save panels, but I haven't found it yet. Anyone know of a way?</div> <div><br></div><div>.hc</div><div class="Ih2E3d"><br><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br><br>IIIIIII!<br><br>rich.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <br> cheers<br> <font color="#888888">M<br> </font><div><div></div><div><br> On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 05:26:00PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:<br> ><br> > Now that I have discovered this bytecode caching feature, I am<br> > curious if the changes I made have made any performance differences.<br> > Also, matju mentioned that the bytecode caching probably works better<br> > if reusing procs, so it could make sense to have sys_vgui calls use<br> > Tcl procs, so that the bytecode gets reused.<br> ><br> > I was also thinking that perhaps sys_vgui communications could use<br> > Tcl_Obj references instead of sending whole lines of Tcl, but that<br> > might get overly complicated.<br> ><br> > .hc<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br> > ----<br> ><br> > <a href="http://at.or.at/hans/" target="_blank">http://at.or.at/hans/</a><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > PD-dev mailing list<br> > <a href="mailto:PD-dev@iem.at" target="_blank">PD-dev@iem.at</a><br> > <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev</a><br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> PD-dev mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:PD-dev@iem.at" target="_blank">PD-dev@iem.at</a><br> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></blockquote></div></div><br><div> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><br> <div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic</div><br></span></span></span> </div><br></div> </blockquote></div><br></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><br></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span> </div><br></body></html>