<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>Miller stated he wanted to keep 8.3 compatibility. Pd-extended < 0.43 has a minimum of 8.4. Pd-extended 0.43 and above will have a minimum of 8.5. Sounds like ideally it would be a plugin, so that people could use it with Pd-vanilla and have it use 8.5 goodies.</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><br><div><div>On Jan 26, 2010, at 12:39 PM, András Murányi wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Sorry for your MacBook!<br>Well lets keep designing this before jumping on the code... If we want proper tabs, that will take Tk 8.5. Now that we don't want pd to depend on 8.5, we could make this up as a plugin, which would let pd start up without 8.5 as well. What do you think?<br> Andras<br><br>ps i have rerouted the thread to pd-dev.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/1/24 Hans-Christoph Steiner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div><br></div><div>Wow, that sucks! Good luck with the new computer!</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div><div>On Jan 23, 2010, at 2:31 AM, Rich E wrote:</div> <br><blockquote type="cite">Well, I wanted to take this on if others thought it was a good idea, but my laptop was just stolen from my flat (brand new Macbook Pro!).. arg. Hopefully I can scrape together a linux pc or something soon. If so, I´ll chime back in on this thread for suggestions.<br> <br><div>rich</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/1/22 Hans-Christoph Steiner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at" target="_blank">hans@at.or.at</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div><div></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:12 PM, András Murányi wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">Rich E wrote:<br> > Hi list,<br> ><br> > I was just thinking, as I noticed that Hans made it where Apple+, opens the<br> > preferences menu on OS X (as does every other native-mac app), why not group<br> > all the preferences in one dialog, with sub dialogs? This is how other apps<br> > I use on OS X behave and I find it convenient. Besides, if you save the<br> > settings, all of the settings get dumped to the preferences file, no? Why<br> > not have them all in the same dialog, openable by a hotkey.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at" target="_blank">hans@at.or.at</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br> The only reason its not like that is because someone hasn't done the<br> work. I'd love to be able to include that work in pd-gui-rewrite. Be<br> aware, it'll probably require some weirdness, because of the nature of<br> the messages that the pref panels send to 'pd'. But I don't think it<br> would be too hard.<br> <br> One downside is that it you couldn't use Tcl/Tk 8.5 if you want it to be<br> included in Pd-vanilla. But I am planning on switching Pd-extended 0.43<br> to Tcl/Tk 8.5 and above, since 8.5 adds a lot of very useful GUI stuff.<br> <br> .hc<br> <div><div></div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div> <br>Let me think a bit forward on this... when you say a dialog and sub dialogs, do you mean a dialog with multiple tabs (that is what i see to be popular in practice) or literally many modals available from one central modal?<br> I'd say tabs make the most sense, but i see that some of the dialogs are produced by the C <br>side not Tcl/Tk (are they?) in which case it will not be easy to stuff them into the tabs.<br>I'm asking because i would be willing to code this up.<br> </div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div></div></div>In 0.43, the prefs dialogs are split out into separate Tcl files:<div>dialog_audio.tcl</div><div>dialog_midi.tcl</div><div>dialog_path.tcl</div><div>dialog_startup.tcl</div> <div><br></div><div>I think each in its own tab makes a lot of sense.</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><div><br><div> <span style="font-size: 12px;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><br> <div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic</div><br></span></span></div></span> </div> <br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div><div> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><br> <span style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div> <br></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.</div><br></span></span> </div> <br></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Muranyi Andras<br></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><br></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span> </div><br></body></html>