<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>That would be one approach...</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><br><div><div>On Sep 19, 2011, at 8:02 PM, András Murányi wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Just a silly idea... (attached)<br><br>Andras<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 19:32, Hans-Christoph Steiner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br> Hey Miller,<br> <br> I actually think this would make switching between vanilla and extended easier because it would make people use [import] or [declare] to load libs, then when using vanilla, you'll know which libraries the patch needs. Can you think of examples where it would make things more difficult?<br> <br> To see which libraries Pd-extended is loading at startup, you can switch to the 'debug' view in the log, and you'll see:<br> <br> libdir loader 1.9<br> compiled on Sep 19 2011 at 03:25:20<br> compiled against Pd version 0.43.1.extended-20110919<br> libdir_loader: added 'vanilla' to the global objectclass path<br> libdir_loader: added 'extra' to the global objectclass path<br> GEM: Graphics Environment for Multimedia<br> GEM: ver: 0.93.SVN rev4516<br> GEM: compiled: Sep 19 2011<br> GEM: maintained by IOhannes m zmoelnig<br> GEM: Authors : Mark Danks (original version)<br> GEM: Chris Clepper<br> GEM: Cyrille Henry<br> GEM: IOhannes m zmoelnig<br> GEM: with help by Guenter Geiger, Daniel Heckenberg, James Tittle, Hans-Christoph Steiner, et al.<br> GEM: found a bug? miss a feature? please report it:<br> GEM: homepage <a href="http://gem.iem.at/" target="_blank">http://gem.iem.at/</a><br> GEM: bug-tracker <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/pd-gem/" target="_blank">http://sourceforge.net/<u></u>projects/pd-gem/</a><br> GEM: mailing-list <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/gem-dev/" target="_blank">http://lists.puredata.info/<u></u>listinfo/gem-dev/</a><br> GEM: compiled for SIMD architecture: SSE2 MMX<br> GEM: using SSE2 optimization<br> libdir_loader: added 'cyclone' to the global objectclass path<br> libdir_loader: added 'zexy' to the global objectclass path<br> <br> <br> .hc<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br> <br> On Sep 19, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Miller Puckette wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Hi Hans -<br> <br> Perhaps better would be to make it read-only so one can query it.<br> <br> I'm not sure, but there still might be complications for people switching<br> back and forth between vanilla and extended, for example, which would be<br> easiest to resolve if the GUI tools were there :)<br> <br> M<br> <br> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 03:31:41PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> For next Pd-extended release, the same set of libraries that have been<br> loading automatically at start-up would continue to be loaded as usual.<br> It is just that there wouldn't be a GUI for people to modify that list<br> of libraries that are loaded at startup. I think most Pd-extended users<br> don't use the startup libs preference already, so I am guessing most<br> people wouldn't notice.<br> <br> .hc<br> <br> <br> On Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:09 PM, "Joăo Pais"<br> <<a href="mailto:jmmmpais@googlemail.com" target="_blank">jmmmpais@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> you'll have lots of newbies complaining that their objects don't load?<br> (it's a good way to force everyone to use namespaces)<br> <br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br> I am thinking for the next release of Pd-extended, that the preferences<br> panels for loading libs and adding paths should be removed. [import]<br> and [declare] cover all it can do in a better way, and people who really<br> want to have libs and paths loaded globally on start-up can use either a<br> manually written preferences file or the command line flags.<br> <br> I could see maybe keeping the paths GUI, but I don't see any good<br> reasons to keep the startup libs GUI. 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