<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">>From:</span></b> Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@at.or.at><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">>To:</span></b> Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">>Cc:</span></b> Miller Puckette <msp@ucsd.edu>; "pd-dev@iem.at" <pd-dev@iem.at> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b></font><font face="Arial"
size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, June 18, 2013 8:55 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">>Subject:</span></b> Re: [PD-dev] remove tk scaling<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>>On 06/18/2013 06:21 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:<br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> <br>>> ________________________________<br>>> >From: Miller Puckette <<a ymailto="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu" href="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu">msp@ucsd.edu</a>><br>>>> To: Hans-Christoph Steiner <<a ymailto="mailto:hans@at.or.at" href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>> <br>>>> Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:pd-dev@iem.at" href="mailto:pd-dev@iem.at">pd-dev@iem.at</a> <br>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 2:12 PM<br>>>> Subject: Re: [PD-dev] remove tk
scaling<br><br>[...]<br><br>>>> (the relevant doc is in the "font" manual age for TK; "If size is<br>>> a negative number, its absolute value is interpreted as a size in pixels."<br>>> <br>>> That's exactly what Pd does-- I should have said in my previous message<br>>> I tested patches with 0.44-3 on Debian Wheezy, OSX, and Windows<br>>> XP. All the iemgui and object fonts must be negative because they are<br>>> pixel exact whether you use [tk scaling 0.2] or [tk scaling 8].<br>>> <br>>>Furthermore, if someone codes a gui external that doesn't use pixel<br>>> sizes for fonts to appear on the canvas _and_ they want pixel-exactness,<br>>> it's a bug, no?<br>>> <br>>> -Jonathan<br><br>>The situation is a big mess, no argument here.<br><br>No, it's not. As I said, patches are currently pixel-exact across platforms,<br>and they remain that way
regardless of the value supplied to [tk scaling].<br><br>>But you're not going to fix it<br>>by messing with [tk scaling], you'll just fix one issue, and others will pop<br>>up.<br><br>Can you give an example of one of those issues?<br><br>So far you have a single comment about pixel-exactness which is at the very<br>least no longer relevant. (While there is a bug related to the default tk scaling<br>value, it's in a different domain and has evidently been solved with a one-liner,<br>without introducing the font problems I mentioned.)<br><br>-Jonathan<br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>