<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>There is lot more than just box color in the Pd-extended look-n-feel. There are mouse icons, fonts, consistent sizing, differentiation of inlet/outlet types, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>.hc</div><br><div><div>On Nov 9, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yiv2126450607"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447094950276_6430"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447094950276_6429" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv2126450607yui_3_16_0_1_1447094950276_4322"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447094950276_7179">You can't, because the relevant canvas item options are hard-coded in C (e.g., object box outline color, xlet outline and fill color, etc.).</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447094950276_7178"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447094950276_7177">-Jonathan<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447094950276_6691"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447094950276_6813"><br></div><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv2126450607yui_3_16_0_1_1447094950276_4323"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv2126450607yui_3_16_0_1_1447094950276_4378"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv2126450607yui_3_16_0_1_1447094950276_4178"><span></span></div> <br clear="none"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1447094950276_6436" class="yiv2126450607qtdSeparateBR"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div></div></div><div class=".yiv2126450607yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv2126450607yqt3258556043" id="yiv2126450607yqt75715"><div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, November 9, 2015 1:13 PM, Dan Wilcox <<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com">danomatika@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <br clear="none"><br clear="none"> <div class="yiv2126450607y_msg_container"><div id="yiv2126450607"><div>Also, I wonder if the “look and feel” aspects of extended could be applied via a plugin? <div class="yiv2126450607"><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"><div class="yiv2126450607">
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<br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"><div class="yiv2126450607yqt2474052435" id="yiv2126450607yqt38771"><div><blockquote class="yiv2126450607" type="cite"><div class="yiv2126450607">On Nov 9, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Dan Wilcox <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2126450607" ymailto="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com">danomatika@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv2126450607Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><div class="yiv2126450607"></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv2126450607yqt2474052435" id="yiv2126450607yqt92755"><div><div class="yiv2126450607" style="word-wrap:break-word;">Right. The gui rewrite was a huge part of extended that was incorporated into vanilla. Obviously the plugin mechanism makes deken possible!<div class="yiv2126450607"><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2126450607">I’d like to find a way to bring in the consistent font sizing in as well as the help patches Jonathan updated. Maybe worth bringing up again? There is a lot of good work that shouldn’t be lost with the transition, if possible.<div class="yiv2126450607"><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"><div class="yiv2126450607">
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<br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"><div class="yiv2126450607"><blockquote class="yiv2126450607" type="cite"><div class="yiv2126450607">On Nov 9, 2015, at 6:49 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2126450607" ymailto="mailto:hans@at.or.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:hans@at.or.at">hans@at.or.at</a>> wrote:</div><br class="yiv2126450607Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><div class="yiv2126450607"><div class="yiv2126450607" style="word-wrap:break-word;"><div class="yiv2126450607"><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2126450607">Moving towards deken definitely makes sense. </div><div class="yiv2126450607"><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2126450607">FYI, for anyone interested, it would not be hard to do a Pd-extended update if it is just a matter of updating the libraries.</div><div class="yiv2126450607"><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2126450607">I think the future of my work on something like Pd-extended would be to make a new standard library that covers lots of stuff. That was really the original idea of Pd-extended, funny enough.</div><div class="yiv2126450607"><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"></div><div class="yiv2126450607">.hc</div><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"><div class="yiv2126450607"><div class="yiv2126450607">On Oct 2, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote:</div><br class="yiv2126450607Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><blockquote class="yiv2126450607" type="cite"></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv2126450607" style="word-wrap:break-word;">Yeah, that’s what I mean. Basically so people will stop downloading an out of date extended if there is an easy way to get the same/similar functionality from a much newer version of vanilla+externals. Judging from the continued extended bug reports of things which are generally fixed in vanilla, I’m thinking it would be a good idea to see what’s needed for a transition and start that more formal conversation.<div class="yiv2126450607"><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"><div class="yiv2126450607">
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<br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"><div class="yiv2126450607"><blockquote class="yiv2126450607" type="cite"><div class="yiv2126450607">On Oct 1, 2015, at 4:00 AM, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2126450607" ymailto="mailto:pd-dev-request@lists.iem.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:pd-dev-request@lists.iem.at">pd-dev-request@lists.iem.at</a> wrote:</div><br class="yiv2126450607Apple-interchange-newline" clear="none"><div class="yiv2126450607"><span class="yiv2126450607" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline;">If by 'relative parity' you mean availability of all the externals the</span><br class="yiv2126450607" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;" clear="none"><span class="yiv2126450607" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline;">last version of Pd-extended came with, this might have been reached</span><br class="yiv2126450607" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;" clear="none"><span class="yiv2126450607" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline;">already. Search for 'extended' in deken. It shows a lot of (all?)</span><br class="yiv2126450607" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;" clear="none"><span class="yiv2126450607" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline;">externals directly packaged from Pd-extended. Many thanks to IOhannes</span><br class="yiv2126450607" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;" clear="none"><span class="yiv2126450607" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline;">for uploading all those.</span></div></blockquote></div><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"></div></div>_______________________________________________<br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none">Pd-dev mailing list<br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2126450607" ymailto="mailto:Pd-dev@lists.iem.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:Pd-dev@lists.iem.at">Pd-dev@lists.iem.at</a><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv2126450607" target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev</a><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"><br class="yiv2126450607" clear="none"></div></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv2126450607yqt2474052435" id="yiv2126450607yqt91436">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Pd-dev mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Pd-dev@lists.iem.at" target="_blank" href="mailto:Pd-dev@lists.iem.at">Pd-dev@lists.iem.at</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev</a><br clear="none"></div><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>