<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">It depends on your approach. Three pixels were used in extended and the forks using the extended styling as that's the minimum height to render a discernible rectangle border for the outline style of the control io versus the filled signal io.<div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:19 PM, Kevin Haywood <<a href="mailto:khaywood@ucsd.edu" class="">khaywood@ucsd.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Ah, so the 3-pixel inlets are an anomaly! I think that should be corrected to 2 pixels then - it seems too minor a detail to clutter up preferences with.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kevin</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 20, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Miller Puckette <<a href="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu" class="">msp@ucsd.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Inlets&outlets are 2 pixels on linux and windows. It's a Tcl/Tk rendering</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">inconsistency that makes inlets (if I remember correctly) appear as 3-pix-high</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">rectangles with empty centers. Extended (which was primarily developed on a</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Mac) took this as the 'preferred' look and altered outlets to look like inlets</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">(unlike the original design).</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Which is better is a matter of judgement - but if inlets/outlets are grown</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">to 3 pixel, then boxes should get another 2 pix of height. I'd suggest making</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">this a "preference", perhaps selectable in the "font size" window.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">cheers</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Miller</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 03:23:49PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">It's on the list. I have the sizing from extended mostly working which fixes the object & atom sizing issues we're seeing with 0.48.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 18, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Kevin Haywood <<a href="mailto:khaywood@ucsd.edu" class="">khaywood@ucsd.edu</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">If you’re considering cleaning up things of this nature, then I’d add that outlets currently only extend two pixels into objects, messages, etc., whereas inlets extend 3 (and are therefore much easier to see). This is the case on macOS, at least.<br class=""><br class="">If this was by design, then please ignore : )<br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class="">Kevin<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 18, 2017, at 2:35 AM, Dan Wilcox <<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com" class="">danomatika@gmail.com</a><<a href="mailto:danomatika@gmail.com" class="">mailto:danomatika@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">So it would be fine to use the same vert sizing as object boxes? I have that now in some testing and it looks good, especially for symbols. Maybe I'm too picky with the details :)<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Sep 18, 2017, at 12:12 AM, Miller Puckette <<a href="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu" class="">msp@ucsd.edu</a><<a href="mailto:msp@ucsd.edu" class="">mailto:msp@ucsd.edu</a>>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">I think there's only a very stupid, short-sighted reason: since numbers<br class="">never have descenders, it wasn't necessary to add a pixel of whitespace<br class="">underneath the rendered string. I was intent on reducing the size of<br class="">everything to its absolute minimum.<br class=""><br class="">I was forgetting about (or maybe not anticipating) "symbol" boxes - it's<br class="">easy to make symbol box text collide with the box's outlet. And "|"<br class="">characters can hit the bottom edge of the box even away from the outlet.<br class=""><br class="">cheers<br class="">Miller<br class=""><br class="">On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 11:10:50PM +0200, Dan Wilcox wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Is there a reason why atoms and slightly shorter in height than object boxes, at least on macOS?<br class=""><br class="">I'm not asking for the technical reason, as I know in the code why this is, but more the conceptual reason, or is it a bug?<br class=""><br class="">--------<br class="">Dan Wilcox<br class="">@danomatika <<a href="http://twitter.com/danomatika" class="">http://twitter.com/danomatika</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://twitter.com/danomatika" class="">http://twitter.com/danomatika</a>>><br class=""><a href="http://danomatika.com/" class="">danomatika.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://danomatika.com/" class="">http://danomatika.com/</a>> <<a href="http://danomatika.com/" class="">http://danomatika.com/</a><<a href="http://danomatika.com/" class="">http://danomatika.com/</a>>><br class=""><a href="http://robotcowboy.com/" class="">robotcowboy.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://robotcowboy.com/" class="">http://robotcowboy.com/</a>> <<a href="http://robotcowboy.com/" class="">http://robotcowboy.com/</a><<a href="http://robotcowboy.com/" class="">http://robotcowboy.com/</a>>><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Pd-dev mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Pd-dev@lists.iem.at" class="">Pd-dev@lists.iem.at</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:Pd-dev@lists.iem.at" class="">mailto:Pd-dev@lists.iem.at</a>><br class=""><a href="https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev" class="">https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev" class="">https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev</a>><br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></blockquote><br class="">--------<br class="">Dan Wilcox<br class="">@danomatika <<a href="http://twitter.com/danomatika" class="">http://twitter.com/danomatika</a>><br class=""><a href="http://danomatika.com/" class="">danomatika.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://danomatika.com/" class="">http://danomatika.com/</a>><br class=""><a href="http://robotcowboy.com/" class="">robotcowboy.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://robotcowboy.com/" class="">http://robotcowboy.com/</a>><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Pd-dev mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Pd-dev@lists.iem.at" class="">Pd-dev@lists.iem.at</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:Pd-dev@lists.iem.at" class="">mailto:Pd-dev@lists.iem.at</a>><br class=""><a href="https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev" class="">https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev" class="">https://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev</a>><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br class="">--------<br class="">Dan Wilcox<br class="">@danomatika <<a href="http://twitter.com/danomatika" class="">http://twitter.com/danomatika</a>><br class=""><a href="http://danomatika.com/" class="">danomatika.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://danomatika.com/" class="">http://danomatika.com/</a>><br class=""><a href="http://robotcowboy.com/" class="">robotcowboy.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://robotcowboy.com/" class="">http://robotcowboy.com/</a>><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><br style="font-family: Helvetica; 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