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it is one of max's most cumbersome "inventions", and actively </span><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 14.6667px;">hinders
patching.</span><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;"></span></span><br>
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I've never been a Max user. I've only experimented with it twice at a studio but nothing more. <br>
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Why it is cumbersome and hinders patching?</p>
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trigger the auto completion with the Tab key :)</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:14.6667px">On 2018-06-11 05:21, <span style="font-size:14.6667px">IOhannes</span> wrote:</span><br style="font-size:14.6667px">
<span style="font-size:14.6667px">> <span style="font-size:14.6667px">otoh, it is of course a nice way for beginners to get an overview over </span><span style="font-size:14.6667px">existing objects.</span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-size:14.6667px">It also allows for really fast typing and automatically types the library names for you. You can very quickly type long stuff like</span></span></p>
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<div>list-abs/list-unitvec</div>
<div>zexy/0x3d0x3d0x7e</div>
<div>list-abs/list-geometric-mean</div>
<div>mrpeach/packOSCstream<br>
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thus encouraging use of "namespaces", which facilitates good patching practices because it avoids name collisions and also allows for easy finding missing dependencies. Such "namespace" use is not something i see everyday even in some experienced user's code.</div>
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2018-06-11 05:21, <span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">IOhannes</span> wrote:</span><br style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 14.6667px;">
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anyhow, a very brief glance at the code shows, that the plugin draws</span><br style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 14.6667px;">
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 14.6667px;">> i think it this is plainly the wrong approach, instead that
knowledge</span><br style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 14.6667px;">
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classes.</span><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;"></span></span><br>
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<span style="font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 14.6667px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 14.6667px;">It
only reads a hard-coded list for vanilla objects, which is faster and very easy to maintain (and its only a 2kb increase in file size)</span></span></span></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 14.6667px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 14.6667px;">For
all other externals it reads the <span><i>$::sys_staticpath</i> and </span><span><i>$::sys_searchpath</i> variables to get the PD paths
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<span style="font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 14.6667px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 14.6667px;"><span>and then </span>intelligently
scans .pd files (skipping <i>-help.pd</i> ones) and system dependent files (.dll, pd_linux, pd_darwin) for each path. </span></span></span></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 14.6667px;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif, EmojiFont, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", NotoColorEmoji, "Segoe UI Symbol", "Android Emoji", EmojiSymbols; font-size: 14.6667px;">The
only thing it can't do is to read inside those sys dependent files to know what objects are there inside monolithic libraries, like zexy. For that reason it reads a .txt file that the user can set that contains that information. Something like:</span></span></span></span></p>
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<div><i>zexy/atoi</i></div>
<div><i>zexy/demultiplex</i></div>
<div><i>zexy/demux</i></div>
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<div><i>hoa/hoa.2d.decoder~</i></div>
<div><i>hoa/hoa.2d.encoder~</i></div>
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<div>You can find them separately using a special "monolithic search mode" that displays the library name on the completions list but only auto completes the object name (since you can't use namespaces with those).</div>
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<span style="font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-size:14.6667px">It would definitely be better to communicate with pd directly to query those objects. Is that possible for a GUI plugin? </span></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.6667px"><span style="font-size:14.6667px">About it running on slow computers like Raspberry Pis. What exactly would be the the problem? Processing or memory?</span></span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">Right know the plugin only increases </span><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">424kb in RAM usage on my windows </span><span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">computer and i have a reasonable amounts of externals.</span><br>
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<span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">About processing power: on startup it scan the externals. Afterwards it will only act if the user press the
<i>Tab</i> key to trigger the auto completion. </span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">Cheers,</span></p>
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<span style="font-size: 14.6667px;">Henri.</span></p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>De:</b> Pd-dev <pd-dev-bounces@lists.iem.at> em nome de IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at><br>
<b>Enviado:</b> segunda-feira, 11 de junho de 2018 05:21<br>
<b>Para:</b> pd-dev@lists.iem.at<br>
<b>Assunto:</b> Re: [PD-dev] PD AutoComplete Plugin</font>
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<div class="PlainText">congrats to the re-surrection of the plugin.<br>
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On 2018-06-10 03:07, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:<br>
> OMG, this HAS to be part of the vanilla distribution!<br>
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however: personally, i am not very sure about this.<br>
ithink it is one of max's most cumbersome "inventions", and actively<br>
hinders patching.<br>
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otoh, it is of course a nice way for beginners to get an overview over<br>
existing objects.<br>
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so i'm not trying to say that the plugin is a bad-idea in the first<br>
place, but rather rejecting the notion of "OMG, MUST".<br>
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but anyhow, a very brief glance at the code shows, that the plugin draws<br>
its knowlege about auto-completion from hardcoded lists.<br>
i think it this is plainly the wrong approach, instead that knowledge<br>
should be gathered on-the-fly from the list of currently available classes.<br>
<br>
but of course, i haven't even tested the plugin, so this might already<br>
be happening (and the hardcoded lists might be either left-overs or<br>
additional hints).<br>
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fgmasdrt<br>
IOhannes<br>
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PS: and my understanding of the legalese is pretty close to dan's.<br>
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