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<blockquote type="cite">One danger I'd like to avoid is all of the
Windows people *not* using the autotools build as then we lose
testing and further updates on that platform.</blockquote>
That danger is very real :-) I would definitely prefer CMake over
autotools.</p>
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<blockquote type="cite">but in general I find autotools to be the
easiest to use for (non-Windows) end users</blockquote>
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<p>Actually, I think CMake is quite user friendly, especially in
combination with cmake-gui, where you have all options in a simple
table that you can edit. And configuration usually takes 1 second
and not ~1 Minute like ./configure on MinGW...<br>
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<p>My personal opinion is that CMake is currently the better choice
for cross-platform apps. Autotools wasn't made for Windows and it
shows...</p>
<p>That being said, I think the current Pd build system is good
enough (and big thanks to Dan for setting it up!), but I'd still
like to experiment with CMake to see what benefits it could bring
in term of speed, maintainance and convenience.<br>
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<p>BTW, I noticed that portaudio now also offers a CMake build
system, besides their original autotools build system :-)<br>
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<p>Christof<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22.04.2020 15:51, Dan Wilcox wrote:<br>
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The libpd CMakeLists.txt might be a good starting point.
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<div class="">I have used CMake for some specific things, but in
general I find autotools to be the easiest to use for
(non-Windows) end users, especially those on Linux that are more
used to the paradigm. It's always a beast to set up, but stays
stable for a long time.</div>
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<div class="">One danger I'd like to avoid is all of the Windows
people *not* using the autotools build as then we lose testing
and further updates on that platform. Keep in mind that the
autotools build is now used for Miller's "canonical" releases.<br
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<div class="">On Apr 22, 2020, at 2:31 PM, <a
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