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Thanks a lot for your help, guys.<br>
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To be honest i was running make app (msw-app.sh, actually) everytime haha<br>
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As a newcomer its been hard wrapping my head around everything, especially since i'm used to interpreted languages - and Java, which is, well, Java.<br>
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(Christof, those C++17 conference videos you've sent me still gives me the nightmares)<br>
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So definitely i would say a better detailed dev guide would be great heh <span id="🙂">
🙂 </span>We even discussed this <a href="https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2019-10/126180.html" title="https://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2019-10/126180.html" style="">
briefly</a> in the list.<br>
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If i had the knowledge i would definitely help writing it - but i can help reviewing/testing.<br>
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Anyway thanks again for your tips. They will save me lots of time!</div>
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Cheers,</div>
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Henri.<br>
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<b>Enviado:</b> terça-feira, 21 de abril de 2020 11:50<br>
<b>Para:</b> Christof Ressi <info@christofressi.com>; Henri Augusto Bisognini <msndohenri@hotmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> pd-dev <pd-dev@lists.iem.at><br>
<b>Assunto:</b> Re: [PD-dev] PD-specific tips for compiling faster on Windows</font>
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<div class="">Actually, 1-2 minutes is pretty good! Before Christof helped with improving the build on Windows, it was more into the 10 minute range due to the layout and compilation order of the files.</div>
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<div class="">Christof is right in that if you are just testing smaller changes, you can just rebuild the core and put the compiled file into the bin folder to run it without having to rebuild the whole thing. I also do this on macOS where I build the Pd core
and simply copy the updated pd executable into the .app bundle without rebuilding the entire bundle each time.</div>
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<div class="">Maybe we should include some dev / debug tips and tricks about this to the INSTALL.txt?</div>
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<div class="">There has been interest for using CMake for libpd, so I could see that as a companion method to build Pd but not a replacement for autotools IMO. Then we would have 3 methods to build it, yeah! :P In any case, as long as something like this is
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<div class="">On Apr 21, 2020, at 12:00 PM, <a href="mailto:pd-dev-request@lists.iem.at" class="" style="">
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Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:24:54 +0200</span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
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Christof Ressi <</span><a href="mailto:info@christofressi.com" class="" style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">info@christofressi.com</a><span class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; float:none; display:inline!important">></span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
<span class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; float:none; display:inline!important">To:<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:pd-dev@lists.iem.at" class="" style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">pd-dev@lists.iem.at</a><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
<span class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; float:none; display:inline!important">Subject:
Re: [PD-dev] PD-specific tips for compiling faster on Windows</span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
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<</span><a href="mailto:4426262d-2274-567a-8e3c-fd2935e750fe@christofressi.com" class="" style="font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">4426262d-2274-567a-8e3c-fd2935e750fe@christofressi.com</a><span class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; float:none; display:inline!important">></span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
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text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"</span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
<br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
<span class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; float:none; display:inline!important">Autotools
(especially libtool) is very slow on MinGW. On my system,<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
<span class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; float:none; display:inline!important">compiling
the /extra externals takes significantly longer than compiling<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
<span class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; float:none; display:inline!important">the
actual Pd application, only because of libtool.</span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
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<span class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; float:none; display:inline!important">If
you want to get faster build times, rewrite the build system in CMake<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
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compile with MSVC :-)</span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
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often do you need to recompile whole Pd? Usually, you just change<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
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files and this should compile and link rather quickly. "make app" is<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
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slow (again, because of libtool). Usually, I only run "make app"<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
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and then just copy pd.dll into the Pd folder on the command line<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br class="" style="font-family:Monaco; font-size:12px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
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