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      <blockquote type="cite">Also, Github isn't the only public git
        host around and even though it's been quite useful for us, we
        should be relatively flexible to move hosting whenever we need
        or want to. Being reliant on submodules for core dependencies
        makes this a little more brittle.</blockquote>
      submodules is actually a Git feature.
      <blockquote type="cite">Note that I added update scripts which
        pull in the relevant portaudio or portmidi sources to automate
        this, ala:</blockquote>
      Ah, never noticed this. Nice.</p>
    <p>Since we build the sources ourselves, as you have noted, it
      probably makes sense to keep them in our repo as well. I don't
      even know how to properly integrate an automake project...</p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 22.01.2022 17:41, Dan Wilcox wrote:<br>
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      I agree with IOhannes in that it's an advantage to keep all of the
      sources together. Besides, we also only include those portaudio
      sources we actually need and build them manually, ie. as a static
      convince lib via autotools etc. When I helped with overhauling the
      autotools build some years ago, I kept that aspect as an
      expedient, but I think it's still a good practice in that Github,
      at the time, didn't actually check out the sources for submodules
      when downloading a zip or tarball via the online interface. I
      haven't checked, but this may have changed. In any case, best
      practice would be to general release tarballs using "make dist"
      but we currently don't do that, as far as I can tell.
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      <div class="">Also, Github isn't the only public git host around
        and even though it's been quite useful for us, we should be
        relatively flexible to move hosting whenever we need or want to.
        Being reliant on submodules for core dependencies makes this a
        little more brittle.<br class="">
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        <div class="">I also agree with Christof that since portaudio
          development is much more active than it use to be, we should
          consider integrating newer stable versions as they come out.
          Note that I added update scripts which pull in the relevant
          portaudio or portmidi sources to automate this, ala:</div>
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href="https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/portaudio/update.sh"
            class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/blob/master/portaudio/update.sh</a></div>
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        <div class="">Note: We have integrated some custom patches for
          portmidi, ie. speed limiting etc, so it's a little more
          problematic to replace it as a submodule right now.<br
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              <div class="">On Jan 21, 2022, at 8:53 PM, <a
                  href="mailto:pd-dev-request@lists.iem.at"
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                  18:22:48 +0100</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0,
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                  <</span><a href="mailto:zmoelnig@iem.at"
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                  not use portaudio per default?</span><br
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                  Christof Ressi wrote:</span><br style="caret-color:
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                  What about my proposition to include portaudio as a
                  submodule<br class="">
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                  git submodules.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0,
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                  problems when using 'git archive' to generate a<span
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                  which is created with this method).</span><br
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                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">this is often a problem
                  for downstream packagers (e.g. for the Debian<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">packages) where crucial
                  parts are missing from the source tarballs.</span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">in the specific case of
                  portaudio i don?t really mind, as in Debian we<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">are using the
                  system-provided PortAudio (and explicitely do *not*
                  use<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">the vendored version).</span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">2nd, submodules do not
                  allow for patching the vendored sources (e.g. we<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">*could* remove the
                  annoying printout at Pa_Initialize() in our vendored<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">copy, but not with 'git
                  submodule').</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0,
                  0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px;
                  font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                  font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
                  text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
                  none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                  -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration:
                  none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">otoh, we haven't really
                  used this in the past, so we probably don't need<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">this anyhow.</span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">so i really do not care.</span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">what i do care about is
                  that the portaudio backend implementation of Pd<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">remains (API-)compatible
                  with released stable versions of PortAudio (and<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">ideally (API-)compatible
                  with the version of portaudio shipped in major<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">linux distributions, esp.
                  Debian)</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
                  font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px;
                  font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal;
                  font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
                  text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform:
                  none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                  -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration:
                  none;" class="">
                <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align:
                  start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                  white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
                  -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
                  -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration:
                  none;" class="">now that it's officially on GitHub?<br
                    class="">
                </blockquote>
                <br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">this i don't really
                  understand. what makes GitHub different from<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">BitBucket, GitLab,
                  SourceForge or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
                  href="http://git.jackaudio.org/" style="font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align:
                  start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
                  white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
                  -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
                  -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""
                  moz-do-not-send="true">git.jackaudio.org</a><span
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class=""><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>with respect
                  to 'git<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br
                  style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">
                <span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:
                  Menlo-Regular; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal;
                  font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
                  letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
                  text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
                  normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                  0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display:
                  inline !important;" class="">submodule's?</span></div>
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              font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
              normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
              orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
              text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
              word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
              -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">--------</div>
            <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica;
              font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
              normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
              orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
              text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
              word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
              -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Dan Wilcox</div>
            <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica;
              font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
              normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
              orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
              text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
              word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
              -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><a
                href="http://twitter.com/danomatika" class=""
                moz-do-not-send="true">@danomatika</a></div>
            <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica;
              font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
              normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
              orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
              text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
              word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
              -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><a
                href="http://danomatika.com" class=""
                moz-do-not-send="true">danomatika.com</a></div>
            <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica;
              font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
              normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
              orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
              text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
              word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
              -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><a
                href="http://robotcowboy.com" class=""
                moz-do-not-send="true">robotcowboy.com</a></div>
            <div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica;
              font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps:
              normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
              orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;
              text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto;
              word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
              -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><br class="">
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