Fw: [PD] using other s/w with pd

[nullpointer]

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From: nullpointer <nullpointer at odessadesign.co.uk>
To: MLN Kazem, Aerospace Engineering <M.Kazem at bristol.ac.uk>
Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] using other s/w with pd


> Hi..
>
> I have tried many methods to use pd with other software.. mostly
> unsuccessful..
> here are some ideas..
> 1. You can use a vst plugin object within pd therefore you can use almost
> any prexisting vst fx/instrument or
> write your own (which is not difficult)
> 2. For sequencing aspects (i.e. not audio processing) you can use either
> internal midiloopback devices (such as midiox or hubi's midi loopback) or
> use some sort of udp messaging system.. (like the pdauto external)..
> unfortuanately neither work very well due to discrepancies in the midi
> timing and audio latency (you have to buildin delay functions e.t.c.)
> 3. You can use virtual audio cabling within windows... (like jack) I have
> only ever done this using a creamware audio card that allows the creation
of
> multiple virtual asio channels  and therefore allows you to patch outputs
> and inputs from one app to another.. this actually seems to work quite
well,
> although demmands more of yr cpu..
> 4. other methods would involve recoding some of pd..you could rewrite so
> that pd behaves as a vst style plugin/instrument which would allow you to
> use it in most win-audio apps. However, unless rewritten cleverly you may
> find it hard to keep yr version up to date with the current releases..with
> this method pd would probably have to adopt the buffersize/samplerate
> settings that are part of the vst spec also, so some features may be
tricky
> to implement?
> See pluggo, a similar system for using max patches in logic/cubase e.t.c.
>
> hope this helps.. and if you find a solid solution please let me know!!!
>
> Tom
> http://www.nullpointer.co.uk
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MLN Kazem, Aerospace Engineering <M.Kazem at bristol.ac.uk>
> To: Akira Abe <akiraa181 at yahoo.co.jp>
> Cc: pd-list <pd-list at iem.kug.ac.at>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 6:10 PM
> Subject: [PD] using other s/w with pd
>
>
> > thanks again for the reply but I'm not quite sure why this is not
> > possible. Please correct me if I am wrong but as I understand it Pd
> > uses portaudio in order to communicate with the windows drivers - which
> > either support ASIO or DirectSound. Having looked at the code for the
> > DirectSound release of portaudio, I recognise the directsound interface
> > code for creating the primary and secondary buffer objects etc. - could
> > I not intercept the code at this point implementing other C/C++
> > interfaces to further process the secondary buffers before they are
> > sent to the primary?
> > I am presuming that I can use the C source code distributed with pd to
> > implement pd in its entirety - ie. I can have a C or C++ app that uses
> > this code to implement pd's functionality - or is this what you were
> > referring too when you said the answer was 'No'?
> > I think I cannot use ReWire as I am from a university and therefore
> > presumably am not allowed a license (according to the website).
> > Also which part of the source refers to making the connection to the
> > tcl/tk application?
> > ...or am I just getting this whole thing horribly wrong?!
> >
> > thanks again
> >
> > Mandy
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 28 Sep
> > 2002 23:22:25 +0900 Akira Abe <akiraa181 at yahoo.co.jp> wrote:
> >
> > > > Hi list,
> > >
> > > Hi again Mandy,
> > >
> > > > thanks Olaf and Akira - your help is greatly appreciated,
> > > > just pursuing the issue, am I right in saying that it is possible
for
> > > > me to write an application, preferably in VC++6.0, that will be able
> > > > to implement pd but also to access the secondary DirectSound
buffers,
> > > > presumably created by pd, before they are mixed in the primary
> > > > buffer for output? - so that I can then take those buffers and apply
> > > > other software to them?
> > >
> > > I see.
> > > The answer is No.
> > > If you want to connect PD to other software, you should be using
> > > something like ReWire technology.
> > >
> > > > also is it possible to separate the tcl/tk part so that I can
> > > > drive pd audio with other networked data - or should I be
> > > > using something like
> > > > STK for this?
> > >
> > > PD has the tcl/tk part and pd.exe in different processes.
> > > The tcl/tk part already has been separated since start of program.
> > >
> > > >again VC++6.0 applications are what I'm looking
> > > > at. thanks again,
> > > >
> > > > Mandy
> > > >
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