[PD] Pd standalone instruments ...

[hans at eds.org]

I think it makes the most sense to view Pd like Java.  Java apps  
still need to have all the Java libs installed.  If we make Pd a  
platform like Java, then the user can just install Pd once, then a  
patch is a double-clickable application.  A double-clickable jar- 
style format would be good to do so that you can include more than  
one file.

.hc

On Jul 26, 2006, at 10:04 PM, padawan12 wrote:

>
> I find this discussion very interesting. As I've said elsewhere
> before, this is the single most important missing
> feature in Puredata. Not being able to turn the netlist
> into code is where the road ends for Pd as a serious software
> development tool, where it stops short of being a fully
> fledged DSP visual programming language.
>
>
>
>
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>
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 10:46:55 +0200
> IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at> wrote:
>
>> hi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
>>>
>>>> to read a special configuration-file? hmm, why? what is wrong  
>>>> with the
>>>> registry (well, there are lots of things wrong with it, but we  
>>>> don't
>>>> want to discuss this here, do we?); at least it makes your  
>>>> program a
>>>> little less "cryptic looking" (for those windoze-users who don't  
>>>> use
>>>> win95 any more)
>>>
>>> Editing a registry is far beyond the scope of what the people I want
>>> using my patch are willing to learn.  I'm not complaining, this  
>>> is of
>>> course my problem, but this is the reason I made the suggestion.  If
>>> I'm the only person who thinks something like this would be neat,  
>>> then
>>> I'll drop it.
>>
>> i was rather suggesting that _you_ should edit the registry (via a  
>> small
>> installer) - that is, if you want it to be plug'n'play for your  
>> clients.
>>
>> i think that if you want people to have an easily usable system, then
>> even editing a cryptic(!) .ini-file is way beyond.
>> so you need something more intuitive, like a small setup program  
>> (doing
>> autodetection) that will write to a backend (no matter wheter it  
>> is an
>> rc-file or the registry)
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> what might be a good idea though, would be a king of "kiosk"  
>>>> mode, where
>>>> the pd-main window is not present and where there are no menus  
>>>> at all
>>>> (so you would have to control pd via messages).
>>>
>>> I think menus could stay.  Menus are ubiquitous.  But it seems the
>>> only need for a Pd-window is debugging, or of course analysis and
>>> such; there are times when it's needed, but there are times it  
>>> isn't.
>>
>> on my side, i (and my non-freaky composers) had never a problem  
>> with the
>> additional main-window.
>> the menus however, are really there for handling pd (the  
>> framework) and
>> NOT your application (patch).
>> if there is NO menu, you can build your custom one (either with  
>> special
>> widgets like [popup] or with normal [bng]s.
>>
>>
>>> The people who might use my patch are other composers interested in
>>> alternate tuning systems.  For the most part they are not computer
>>> people.  "Cryptic-looking" isn't a bust in the slightest, it is  
>>> how it
>>> comes across, when I send an email to a composer to tell him how to
>>> use my patch, and I have to devote several paragraphs to telling him
>>> how to first get a couple of external libraries loaded and make sure
>>> it selected the right sound device.  Again, I would love to tell him
>>> "tough, learn something about computers if you want to use it," but
>>> that would impede my possible future lessons with him.
>>
>> i totally agree that this if often nor an option.
>>
>>>
>>>> apart from that, why don't you distribute your "application"  
>>>> bundled
>>>> with everything: pd, externals, abstractions, patch, startup- 
>>>> script.
>>>
>>> Startup-script you say...  I hadn't thought of that.  Far less work
>>> than developing a standalone-application compiler.
>>
>> yes, that was the main point of my email: use startup-scripts.
>>
>>
>> mfga.sdr.
>> IOhannes
>>
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