Broken links all over the place in Pd-extended help files (was: [PD] mapping library examples)

[Kyle Klipowicz]

Oh, ok. That sounds awesome and useful, thanks for the info!

However...

I tried looking at a random mapping patch in pd-0.39.2-extended-test7
but got what I did a few months back when I tried to look at it.

I opened the amplitude_n-help.pd file and it generated this:

error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
error: inlet: expected '' but got 'list'
...

etc.

I found the culprit:

inside the min_n.pd abstraction there are two undefined objects,
minimum and maximum.

Now my question is this: If we are getting to the point of expecting
users to magically know how use the import function, why is it not
automatgically included in all the help patches that utilize functions
that must be imported in order to not create a broken patch?

It seems to me that all help patches should include the necessary
import calls so that they are not broken. It seems to me that more
than half of the included help patches that I try to open on a fresh
Pd-extended install (following all install instruction, i.e. copy the
proper files to places on OSX) are broken for this reason. If this is
the case, how can we claim that Pd-extended is easier to use and more
refined?

Please don't take these criticisms personally, I am a big fan of the
work that has gone into this project. I would just like to understand
these things. I may be missing something. But if I am, then for sure a
hundred less-experienced users are too, and they may be scared away!

With respect,

~Kyle

On 1/30/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at eds.org> wrote:
>
> Basically, we are trying to come up with a whole collection of
> fundamental building blocks for mapping controller data to something
> being controlled.  It need not only be for music, but that's my
> background.  Cyrille has a broader background in terms of mapping
> than I.  While we use these objects with controllers and sensors,
> there is nothing that ties them to such uses.  They could be used for
> any situation where you want to manipulate ranges of data.
>
> Here's the academicese version:
>
> http://nime.org/2006/proc/nime2006_106.pdf
>
> Abstract
>
> Mapping has been discussed for decades, yet there is not a standard
> catalog of mapping methods. The Mapping Library for Pd is a fledgling
> library of mapping primitives with the aim of cataloging existing
> mapping methods. Also included are techniques for conditioning sensor
> data to make it usable in the context of instrument design.
>
> .hc
>
> On Jan 30, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:
>
> > Yes, please do. I recall looking at it briefly, but didn't know what
> > it was created to be used for. Is it in tandem with HID?
> >
> > ~Kyle
> >
> > On 1/30/07, padawan12 <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hans, please could you give a very quick summary of the mapping
> >> library
> >> and the problems it's intended to solve (for those of us who
> >> missed the
> >> announce, or forgot).
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Andy
> >>
> >> On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:17:49 -0500
> >> Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at eds.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Cyrille and I started work on the mapping library a while back.
> >> I am
> >> > wondering how many people have used some of the objects, and
> >> whether
> >> > anyone would be willing to share a project where they used some of
> >> > the objects.  We are writing a paper about the progress of this
> >> > library, so it would be nice to include some examples from the real
> >> > world (i.e. outside what we do ;)
> >> >
> >> > .hc
> >> >
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