[PD] pddp drafts

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

I'll also throw in my attempt to the ring.  Or "pre-ring" perhaps I  
should say. ;)  I like the overall layout of Ben's template 9, but I  
think that the graphical elements are too heavy, drawing too much  
attention.

I took Ben's original template-9 and applied some concepts I've been  
thinking, reading, etc. about.  Bradford Paley has a lot of really  
good things to say about interface design, outlined in this talk:

http://atlas-real.atlas.uiuc.edu:8080/refmov/ncsa/2005-11-04-0800pm.asx

(FYI: you can rip the stream with VLC, then watch it at 1.25X speed,  
since he speaks with a lot of pauses).

- color should be used to make things stand-out
- the eye should be able to naturally skim thru the important parts
- the layout or decoration should not distract or draw attention

Therefore, I made the 'structural' elements in the background as much  
as possible to make the examples and text come forward.  The color on  
the header is to mark the patch as a help/reference patch, versus a  
tutorial or all_about patch.

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On Sep 17, 2007, at 5:02 PM, B. Bogart wrote:

> Hi Marius,
>
> Thanks for taking the dive and contributing ideas to the wiki. I'll
> "strike" that task from your todo list. How is the wiki template  
> going?
>
> I think the discussion about externals was well played out, what have
> you ended up deciding? (Will your stylesheet system work on vanilla  
> PD 40?)
>
> I am a little confused about the purpose of these templates though,  
> as I
> thought you had issues with the way the information was structured in
> previous templates (and the over use of canvases) and now I see you  
> have
> even more canvases (cnv)!
>
> Here is some feedback:
>
> * I think the idea of the stylesheet is a good one, especially as it
> works for multi-lingual PD. Of course the comments would still be
> unilingual without lots of extra effort.
>
> * Where did the three panel layout come from? Having two columns  
> for the
> content does not really flow well, as they are different sizes. The
> extra space for the patch area is nice, but I think most examples need
> more vertical space than horizontal, even with template 11 the example
> patch is still floating in a lot of empty space. See template 6 for an
> example of another alt design that had a bigger patch area.
>
> * The purpose of the canvases in the previous templates is to break up
> the content, so that are all the width of the text area or so, when  
> they
> are too short they no longer serve to break up the content because  
> they
> need to have more emphasis on the text.
>
> * All in all I don't see any improvement of this design to template  
> 11,
> Would you consider making template 11 stylesheet compatible?
>
> See my other message about GOPing pddplink.
>
> Great to see all this effort! :)
>
> .b.
>
> marius schebella wrote:
>> hey,
>> just finished my templates. I did not concentrate so much on  
>> content and
>> layout, but on the question how to make different patch layouts with
>> stylesheets.
>> I think it is a good idea to make styles as flexible as possible.
>> https://www.puredata.info/dev/pddp/pddp-drafts
>> So what you see is one patch where you can switch between different
>> styles. The style definitions are in a seperate textfile and control
>> primarily canvases and text (but you can add your own style  
>> definitions
>> for guis...). You can set colors, fonts sizes, positions. please play
>> around and create your own layouts!
>> The layouts are rewritten everytime you open the patch, so you don't
>> have to worry to overwrite when you save a patch.
>> Besides the changes on gui objects, it is also possible to switch
>> headers and footers (or create additional patches). They are GOPs and
>> are scripted during runtime (when you open the patch). they can  
>> change
>> their appearance dependent on things like language settings,  
>> operating
>> system. But GOPS only support gui objects and comments, I really miss
>> support for images and pddplink. you will need iemlib, zexy, pd 0.39.
>> I only tested them on mac, so I would like to hear feedback about  
>> other
>> os. thnx.
>> marius.
>>
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