[PD] translations for pdpedia templates Nederlands

IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoelnig at iem.at
Wed Oct 10 18:15:31 CEST 2007


tim wrote:
> Hi Kristof,
>> (tried to send this an hour ago, but seems like it didn't get through. 
>> sorry if you receive it twice)
> I have this too with pd-list, sometimes it takes more than an hour for 
> my mail to appear.

hey guys, i hope you are aware that a mailing-list is an asynchronous 
mails can take several hours to be delivered. this is _normal_ 
behaviour. just because emails often go through faster than that, does 
not mean that you should rely on that. after all, it's a complicated 

so if you are interested, where the delivery slows down, you should have 
a look at the email-headers.

Delivery-date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:05:50 +0200

Received: from inf182.kug.ac.at ([] helo=puredata.info) 
by mail.iem.at with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32)	(Exim 
4.63)	(envelope-from <pd-list-bounces at iem.at>)	id 1IfbFx-0003kZ-IW; Wed, 
10 Oct 2007 15:05:49 +0200

Received: from localhost ([] helo=puredata.info)	by 
puredata.info with esmtp (Exim 4.63)	(envelope-from 
<pd-list-bounces at iem.at>)	id 1Ifb1K-0006f9-6W; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:50:42 

Received: from iem.kug.ac.at ([] helo=mail.iem.at)	by 
puredata.info with esmtp (Exim 4.63)	(envelope-from 
<pd at kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net>)	id 1Ifb10-0006f3-U0	for 
pd-list at puredata.info; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:50:23 +0200

Received: from dike.telenet-ops.be ([])	by mail.iem.at 
with esmtp (Exim 4.63)	(envelope-from 
<pd at kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net>)	id 1Ifb5H-0003e3-69	for 
pd-list at iem.at; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:54:49 +0200

Received: from hoboe1bl1.telenet-ops.be (hoboe1bl1.telenet-ops.be 
[])	by dike.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 
8A084823C36	for <pd-list at iem.at>; Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:34:07 +0200 (CEST)

Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [])	by 
hoboe1bl1.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 0426FD409C;	Wed, 10 Oct 
2007 11:34:07 +0200 (CEST)

Received: from Xi.kristoflauwers.domainepublic.net 
(d54C1E7D0.access.telenet.be [])	by 
hoboe1bl1.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC070D40AA;	Wed, 10 Oct 
2007 11:34:06 +0200 (CEST)

this tells us, that kristof sent his email at 11:34, that it was relayed 
within virtually zero time to hoboe1bl1.telenet-ops.be, where it waited 
for 3.5hours to be delivered to iem.kug.ac.at
there are various reasons why this happens: e.g.
- server load: if the sending server has a huge queue of emails, your 
email will be delivered after all these are delivered
- server load: if the receiving server is currently under heavy load, it 
may not be able to immediately accept the email (it's the age of spam...)
- anti spam measurements: to drastically reduce the amount of spam, 
greylisting is an established technique; this means that the receiver 
will not immediately accept an email; the sender will have to retry 
after a certain period (which spammers often don't!); this however 
means, that we are back to the start, the senders queue has to be worked 
through again,...
the iem is happy to use greylisting

finally, the mailing list server took another 15minutes to send the 
email; after all pd-list has more than 1000 subscribers...


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