[PD] a general discussion about which software to learn: pd, max, both... or else?

Si Mills smills at rootsix.net
Mon Oct 15 14:58:20 CEST 2007

I came to Pd from SuperCollider. SC is very powerful and can sound  
amazing. Its power lies in the fact it is a object orientated  
language - if you want 500 oscillators you can just change a  
variable, rather than having to patch it by hand. I found I could do  
algorithmic stuff very easily as the system lended itself to do this..

What it is not imo, is user friendly, which is why I picked up Pd.   
It became a headache when i wanted to use a gui to construct a  
sequencer of something....that in itself requires a different mind  
set to lay it out. Pd or Max is fairly intuitive in this regard and  
thus quicker to knock up new ideas. I guess I lost patience with it  
because i would reach a brick wall and not finish ideas which is very  
unconstructive. It was more- time head buried in documentation and  
not enough results..I felt life was too short!! (sorry). Also not  
coming from a programming background i guess didn't help/

I f there was a bridge for SC like the csound one, that would be very  
nice. Using Pd for data structure and using some of SCs ugens..


On 15 Oct 2007, at 13:11, bbarros wrote:

> Take a look in SuperCollider. I used Max/MSP and
> CSound before, IMO you can do more with less effort once
> you learn this programming language (yes, it is a true programming  
> language)
> Once you finished your patch it is also easy to modify and change  
> comparing
> to max/msp. I like it.
> http://supercollider.sourceforge.net/
> http://www.audiosynth.com/
> 2007/10/15, Frank Barknecht <fbar at footils.org>:
> Hallo,
> David Schaffer hat gesagt: // David Schaffer wrote:
> > I'm a stage/audiovisual technician willing to make a move into
> > digital arts. I've been using pd for quite some time know and I was
> > wondering if it would be useful for me to learn Max: according to
> > you guys, which of the two programs seems to be most widely used,
> > most popular, most promising in terms of future devellopements? Is
> > it worth to be good in both or to become "excellent" (whatever that
> > means...) in one of them? Is there another platform out there that
> > would be worth giving a look (outside of the established stuff like
> > pro tools, final cut, photoshop etc...) Thank you for your answers.
> I once took a workshop in Max/MSP and it was very boring: I already
> knew everything except that [osc~] is called [cycle~] in Max.
> The nice thing about both Max and Pd is that the programmes themselves
> are very simple tools. What you *really* learn when you learn one of
> them are things like algorithms, DSP techniques, composition theory,
> computer graphics, geometry etc. or more generally: ideas, and these
> aren't tied to a specific software or language.
> I think it's good for a Pd user to also know a bit about Max, but IMO
> you don't need ot buy a copy of it, instead you should have the
> documentation pdfs (Max/MSP reference etc.) on your disk and maybe
> even read them from time to time.
> Ciao
> --
> Frank Barknecht                                     _  
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