[PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE
aliciabyer at gmail.com
Wed Oct 17 09:23:32 CEST 2007
Maybe I have no valid opinion because I just lurk on this list, but I
don't appreciate being called "girl" either, I'm in my mid-twenties
also. And I agree with Darsh and Alejandra. The kind of terms and
attitudes being thrown around about gang-bangs and gross sex make me not
want to join in any discussions. It seems designed to keep me out. It's
just like my supercollider class in college where I was one of two
women, and the professor kept discussing what one should do to be a real
"jock" programmer, and everything had to be so macho all the time. I
guess it's just "male bonding" but it's excluding others that want to
learn. I am just sick of this attitude from some guys that women can't
be real composers, musicians, programmers, whatever. I mean.. It's
2007!!! Not the stone age.
Anyway, darsh, I know where you're coming from.
> Hi people
> If this thread has to continue please feel free to substitute the word
> 'girls' for 'women' or 'sisters' even. I am not sure what the count
> is but I can imagine that there are very few actual girls on this list
> (that would be pretty cool though...bunch of lurking little girls, hi,
> I am in my mid twenties and I don't really like being called 'girl'.
> A girl is a female child... The other women on this list may not
> agree with this or they may not even care about it one single bit or
> they may even be annoyed that I am bringing it up (if this is the case
> then sorry ladies)...
> My little sister who is 15 (and fond of gem) is someone who I consider
> a girl or maybe even a young lady....If there were more like her on
> this list then maybe girl would be the right term...To be honest
> though, I wouldn't recommend that she join this list at this point in
> her life...This thread makes my skin crawl.
> On 10/16/07, *Roman Haefeli* <reduzierer at yahoo.de
> <mailto:reduzierer at yahoo.de>> wrote:
> hey ho
> let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread in a
> dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered
> very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at
> all to
> the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming to a
> point. since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so
> serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously
> couldn't be established.
> On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:38 +0200, pueblo at mail.ljudmila.org
> <mailto:pueblo at mail.ljudmila.org> wrote:
> > > yves,
> > > I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you
> describe (maybe
> > > you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :))
> > hi David and all,
> > I don't know if you didn't follow some threads but here are some
> > of greasy jokes:
> yo, i am glad, that you bring some realworld cases up. i think, this
> could be a basis for a real discussion.
> > From: JoÃ£o Miguel Pais <jmmmpais at googlemail.com
> <mailto:jmmmpais at googlemail.com>>
> > Date: Tue, October 9, 2007 1:29 pm
> > - do you know how many feminists are necessary to change a
> lightbulb? 2:
> > One to change the lightbulb, and one to s**k my c**k.
> > [I think all users are old enough to read this, and at least it's a
> > humorous tone, not purely offensive like some mails in the last
> i don't know, how obvious this was, but i am pretty sure, that in the
> first place it wasn't jmmmp's intention to make bad jokes, that
> feminists. i would rather say, that he, as probably some others, felt,
> that this discussion was going to nowhere and probably wanted to
> provocate a discussion by bringing up the most stupid macho joke (or
> whatever this should be called) he could think of. obviously he
> succeeded. i wouldn't count that as an example of chauvinism in the
> list, since it seems, that it was triggered by the topic 'sexism' in
> order to question the ongoing discussion.
> accusing him of chauvinism would be too simple in that case,
> though i do
> not approve sending such sentences to a public mailing list,
> of the intention.
> > I really didn't want to post another OT but to be blind about
> the facts is
> > just a bit too much for me to keep silent.
> i think, the whole community would agree, that whatever is troubling
> someone in a serious manner, it should be brought up here.
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