[PD] [OT] Re: about sexism is TERMINATE THREAD PLEASE

Alicia Byer aliciabyer at gmail.com
Wed Oct 17 09:23:32 CEST 2007

Hi everybody,

Maybe I have no valid opinion because I just lurk on this list, but I 
don't appreciate being called "girl" either, I'm in my mid-twenties 
also. And I agree with Darsh and Alejandra. The kind of terms and 
attitudes being thrown around about gang-bangs and gross sex make me not 
want to join in any discussions. It seems designed to keep me out. It's 
just like my supercollider class in college where I was one of two 
women, and the professor kept discussing what one should do to be a real 
"jock" programmer, and everything had to be so macho all the time. I 
guess it's just "male bonding" but it's excluding others that want to 
learn. I am just sick of this attitude from some guys that women can't 
be real composers, musicians, programmers, whatever. I mean.. It's 
2007!!! Not the stone age.

Anyway, darsh, I know where you're coming from.

thanks everybody,

.·:*¨¨*:·.darsha.·:*¨¨*:·. wrote:
> Hi people
> If this thread has to continue please feel free to substitute the word 
> 'girls' for 'women' or 'sisters' even.  I am not sure what the count 
> is but I can imagine that there are very few actual girls on this list 
> (that would be pretty cool though...bunch of lurking little girls, hi, 
> hi).
> I am in my mid twenties and I don't really like being called 'girl'.  
> A girl is a female child...  The other women on this list may not 
> agree with this or they may not even care about it one single bit or 
> they may even be annoyed that I am bringing it up (if this is the case 
> then sorry ladies)... 
> My little sister who is 15 (and fond of gem) is someone who I consider 
> a girl or maybe even a young lady....If there were more like her on 
> this list then maybe girl would be the right term...To be honest 
> though, I wouldn't recommend that she join this list at this point in 
> her life...This thread makes my skin crawl.
> xo
> Darsh
> On 10/16/07, *Roman Haefeli* <reduzierer at yahoo.de 
> <mailto:reduzierer at yahoo.de>> wrote:
>     hey ho
>     let me switch in again. it was not my intention to stop a thread in a
>     dictatorship way. i just noticed, that the discussion meandered
>     through
>     very different subject-matters, that weren't related anymore at
>     all to
>     the original topic 'sexism', and it seems, that it wasn't coming to a
>     point. since this is still a list about pd, i proposed in a not so
>     serious way to bury that thread, since a real discussion obviously
>     couldn't be established.
>     On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:38 +0200, pueblo at mail.ljudmila.org
>     <mailto:pueblo at mail.ljudmila.org> wrote:
>     > > yves,
>     > > I haven't noticed anything offensive on the list like you
>     describe (maybe
>     > > you're mixing life on the streets with life on the pd-list? :))
>     >
>     > hi David and all,
>     > I don't know if you didn't follow some threads but here are some
>     examples
>     > of greasy jokes:
>     yo, i am glad, that you bring some realworld cases up. i think, this
>     could be a basis for a real discussion.
>     > From:         João Miguel Pais <jmmmpais at googlemail.com
>     <mailto:jmmmpais at googlemail.com>>
>     > Date:         Tue, October 9, 2007 1:29 pm
>     >
>     > - do you know how many feminists are necessary to change a
>     lightbulb? 2:
>     > One to change the lightbulb, and one to s**k my c**k.
>     > [I think all users are old enough to read this, and at least it's a
>     > humorous tone, not purely offensive like some mails in the last
>     weeks]
>     i don't know, how obvious this was, but i am pretty sure, that in the
>     first place it wasn't jmmmp's intention to make bad jokes, that
>     insult
>     feminists. i would rather say, that he, as probably some others, felt,
>     that this discussion was going to nowhere and probably wanted to
>     provocate a discussion by bringing up the most stupid macho joke (or
>     whatever this should be called) he could think of. obviously he
>     succeeded. i wouldn't count that as an example of chauvinism in the
>     list, since it seems, that it was triggered by the topic 'sexism' in
>     order to question the ongoing discussion.
>     accusing him of chauvinism would be too simple in that case,
>     though i do
>     not approve sending such sentences to a public mailing list,
>     regardless
>     of the intention.
>     > I really didn't want to post another OT but to be blind about
>     the facts is
>     > just a bit too much for me to keep silent.
>     i think, the whole community would agree, that whatever is troubling
>     someone in a serious manner, it should be brought up here.
>     roman
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