[PD] about sexy-ism

Sat Oct 27 09:05:49 CEST 2007

While the post was particularly vulgar, it's debatable whether knowing about
sex is harmful to teenagers.  It's also debatable in general whether it's
anyone's responsibility to try to do what's best for other people's
children.  Anyway I suspect it's more the people around the teenage girl who
don't want her to know, but if you want to control what a person knows
beyond infancy you've got to resort to drastic measures, like controlling
what strangers are allowed to say in public.  The 1980's saw some ferocious
attempts to censor music and music videos in the name of children.  While
there are definitely some things children may prefer not to know or think
about, a) I don't think sex is usually one of them (my sister, at 12 or 15,
would have thought the post was hilarious, and yes she would have understood
it), and b) people with children don't rule the world!
A 12- or 15-year-old in the US can turn on the TV and see shootings, drug
dealing, political corruption, human trafficking, etc., etc., on the news or
fictional shows, but let one woman's nipple appear through a tiny hole for a
few seconds and all hell breaks loose.

I'm a big fan of art, and subversive, offensive art is some of my favorite
stuff.  R Crumb, Frank Zappa, John Steinbeck, Sylvia Plath, Prince, Eminem,
and John Lennon, just to name a few, have done some stuff many people would
love to silence (and they try continuously).  While the post about sexyism
was really off-topic and a bit predictable, I like to think that if I made
music with Pd that some people would consider offensive it would not be
off-topic.  Although many such "off-topic" Pd-object pun posts have come and
gone with no mention of being off-topic because they didn't share the same
tone and content...
Are there any official rules for content on this forum?  Does moderation
exist?  I have no problem with them if so, but I'm guessing the answers are
both no?

-Chuckk

On 10/27/07, Chris McCormick <chris at mccormick.cx> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Would you have told this joke in a room with children within earshot? I
> hope not. The pd-list should be thought of a such a room. It's a room
> with many many different people of different ages and sexes, with
> different cultural backgrounds. It's a room where anybody is free to
> come and hear about Pure Data and share and learn, not where they come
> to be told offensive jokes. It's a room where it would be really nice
> if everyone's 12 and 15 year old sisters who want to learn about Pd felt
> completely comfortable.
>
> This list is about a versatile audio visual tool. I can think of
> absolutely no good reason why anybody who wants to learn about a versatile
> audio visual tool should have to feel offended or threatened here. I guess
> the key is to remember that not everybody here is just like you. Not
> everyone is offended, or not offended by the same jokes. Not everyone
> is interested in the same things.
>
> Yes, I am asking you to self censor. Just like you would self censor
> when you visit your grandmother. I am asking you to show some universal
> respect and consideration, which is not very difficult at all. If you
> want to express those kinds of things, please choose a different
> audience and forum, as this one is on the whole, not interested.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Chris.
>
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 03:26:34PM -0400, vade wrote:
> > Its a joke. Get over it. Comedians do it at venues of over a 1000 all
> > the time. Ever hear of George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Eddy Murphy (back
> > when he was funny..), etc etc.
> >
> > Whether or not the PD list is the place for this, well, frankly, I'll
> > agree it isnt, but that was my point about 3.5^10 emails ago - this
> > thread is mind boggingly off topic -  but that did not stop
> > discussion over such amazingly interesting topics as the etymology of
> > sexism,  constructive comments about street jargon, academia and fun
> > statistics over who applied and got accepted to what.
> >
> > Jesus fucking christ, its a joke about CONSENSUAL SEX USING PD
> > OBJECTS AS A METAPHOR. OH NO. OH DEAR GOD OH MENSTRUATION. OH YUCK
> > BOO HOO.
> >
> > No one notices Hard off also making fun of himself there. Ah, so
> > typically one sided.
> >
> > Look.
> > We are all humans.
> > Some of us have vaginas, others penises. (hell some even have both)
> > Some of us use PD and/or other Dataflow languages.
> > Can we PLEASE GET OVER IT ALREADY?
> >
> > That email was more a comment on the lunacy of the aforementioned
> > thread as well as some of you over intellectualizing every goddamn
> > last minutiae of the topic - rather than an actual genuine heartfelt
> > AFFRONT TO ALL OF WOMANKIND.
> >
> > Perhaps if you took of your lab coat, removed the various PHDs from
> > behind your desk, and any other assorted academic paraphernalia that
> > may be laying about* - including the self righteousness - you might
> > see that last email as an attempt to cut through the bullshit of this
> > topic. Im sorry I have to spell it out for you.
> >
> > *I am well aware that you and others may literally have said items
> > behind your potentially non existing desk, however, I hope you can
> > all grok the metaphor - somehow I feel ill be disappointed yet again...
> >
> > The bottom line is, if PD is going to be used by Artists, prepare to
> > be offended.
> >
> > On Oct 26, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote:
> >
> > >I think the post and this attitude has no place on this list. The
> > >use of
> > >objects is smart but it doesn't excuse the moronic and offensive
> > >nature of
> > >the post.  What makes you think that your freedom of speech should
> > >come at
> > >the expense of women feeling violated and insulted?  I wonder if
> > >you would
> > >state something like that before a crowd of 1000.  I feel disgusted.
> > >
> > >Alexandre
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>Haha. That made my day. Well done.
> > >>
> > >>Yeah, calling him a virgin, real original.
> > >>
> > >>On Oct 26, 2007, at 6:39 AM, hard off wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl,  she was a
> > >>>real GEM - a totally rradical chick.
> > >>>
> > >>>We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything
> > >>>[unauthorized], i asked her, "hey, do you want to [route]?"
> > >>>
> > >>>..she said "sorry it's that [time] of the month"
> > >>>
> > >>>and i said, "hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses]"
> > >>>
> > >>>..she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened
> > >>>her
> > >>>[spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~]
> > >>>and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] .
> > >>>
> > >>>after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~],  she asked
> > >>>to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her
> > >>>[openpanel]
> > >>>and put her on the kitchen [table].
> > >>>
> > >>>she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again.  so i thrust my [outlet]
> > >>>into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions,
> > >>>[until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my
> > >>>[loadbang].
> > >>>
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