[PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

[marius schebella]

ok, so you are right. my reading capabilities get worse from day to day...
one more question. I read
Pd (c) 1997-2005 The Regents of the University of California?
which means the regents of the UC own the rights on Pd???
marius.



Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
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> On Mar 7, 2008, at 9:14 PM, marius schebella wrote:
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>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>> On Mar 7, 2008, at 7:33 PM, marius schebella wrote:
>>>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
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>>>>> I think it is unlikely that there is a noticeable difference in  
>>>>> double-blind testing.  I am sure that people hear differences 
>>>>> between  them, but I am guessing that those differences are inside 
>>>>> the brain,  rather than outside :).
>>>>
>>>> yes, that seems obvious to me too, but this discussion is about the 
>>>> small chance, that there might be a difference in some small details 
>>>> that effectively make a difference..
>>>>
>>>>> Also, consider that MSP started from Pd code.
>>>>
>>>> I thought pd came out later (1997) and was completely rewritten with 
>>>> fundamental differences (esp. when it comes to fft and stuff like 
>>>> that).
>>> Max didn't have MSP until Pd came along, it was all about 
>>> manipulating MIDI.  Check out the copyright splash screen, it says 
>>> "portions based on Pd 1997-2005".
>>
>> no, it says Pd and MSP are based on ideas in Max/FTS, an advanced DSP 
>> platform (C) IRCAM.
> 
> Look at the line above that one.  Max/FTS did have synthesis, but it was 
> on a separate DSP CPU.
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max/MSP
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> "Max has a number of extensions and incarnations; most notably, a set of 
> audio extensions to the software appeared in 1997, ported from Pure 
> Data. Called MSP (short for either Max Signal Processing or the initials 
> of Miller S. Puckette, the author of both Max and Pd), this "add-on" 
> package for Max allowed for the manipulation of digital audio signals in 
> real-time"
> 
> .hc
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>> I learned in school (but that was loooong ago in 1997) that miller 
>> wrote max and max/fts at IRCAM in the mid 80s, max already had signal 
>> processing in 1990. then he jumped off, david zicarelli sticked with 
>> the existing code and developed msp and miller rewrote pd from scratch 
>> in 1996/97.
>>
>> I think max/msp took also code from pd, but that was later.
>> marius.
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