[PD] externals with same names

Hans-Christoph Steiner hans at eds.org
Tue Apr 8 17:28:50 CEST 2008

On Apr 8, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 22:20 -0400, Chris McCormick wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 10:53:14PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote:
>>> Hallo,
>>> IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>>>> 2: don't use the full Pd-extended but strip it down to your  
>>>> needs (i
>>>> personally use a barebone Pd and add 3 or so libraries - i still  
>>>> have an
>>>> overview about what is loaded...)
>>> I'm sometimes thinking about making a pd-condensed fork of pd- 
>>> extended
>>> which includes only externals and abstractions without  
>>> nameclashes. ;)
>> Same here! It would be good to have a distribution with a maintainer
>> who is slightly less conservative than Miller about what goes in,
>> but still keep it really tight. Maybe it would also be cool to see a
>> "democratized" version of Pd where externals and libraries must be  
>> first
>> nominated and then voted in by some requisite number of positive  
>> votes.
>> For this to work I think we'd need to have people for each major  
>> GNU/Linux
>> distribution who would do the work of the actual packaging and  
>> submission,
>> separate to the building (My aims are totally selfish - I'd love  
>> to be
>> able to apt-get install this).
>> Even more talking with no action (sorry Roman),
> no need to be sorry, because your talk is at least constructive, where
> mine was just a bit rude, and of course i could start working on it
> myself instead of asking others to do so.
> after all, i am happy that there is pd-extended, so that all  
> objects are
> easily available for everyone. i think the next step should indeed  
> be a
> cleaned-up version, that
> - doesn't have nameclashes
> - only contains classes, that work (the same) on every platform
> - doesn't conflict with libraries compiled as libraries. i mean
> conflicts such as no/bad support for aliases and certain class names.
> even more words.........

Constructive words are good, but without action, they are no more  
than a way to idle away time.  It is time spent with no time gained  
due to a better implementation.  There is only so much I can do, the  
more contributions we have, the better we will all be.



"[W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are  
deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from  
scarcity."        -John Gilmore

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