IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > so i don't fully understand your why you don't want to use [env~]? Because I'm a newbie, that never used [env~] before? > [env~] > | > [- 100] > | > [vu] That works better, thanks! -- peace, love & harmony Atte http://atte.dk | http://myspace.com/attejensen http://anagrammer.dk | http://modlys.dk