[PD] tkwidgets WAS: Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Tue, 9/14/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at> wrote:

> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> Subject: tkwidgets WAS: Hi, new user. Question about max/msp and PD
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Frank Barknecht" <fbar at footils.org>, "Mathieu Bouchard" <matju at artengine.ca>, pd-list at iem.at
> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2010, 6:52 AM
> 
> On Sep 13, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 9/13/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> >> Subject: Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question about
> max/msp and PD
> >> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "Frank Barknecht" <fbar at footils.org>,
> "Mathieu Bouchard" <matju at artengine.ca
> 
> >> >, pd-list at iem.at
> >> Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 11:46 PM
> >> On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 09:46 -0700,
> >> Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> >>>
> >>> --- On Mon, 9/13/10, Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [PD] Hi, new user. Question
> about
> >> max/msp and PD
> >>>> To: "Frank Barknecht" <fbar at footils.org>
> >>>> Cc: pd-list at iem.at
> >>>> Date: Monday, September 13, 2010, 5:19 PM
> >>>> On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, Frank Barknecht
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Oh, and instead of [transport] just
> use a
> >> metro with a
> >>>> counter sending to some global receiver.
> Read
> >> from this with
> >>>> [select] to get a kind of Max-5's
> [timepoint]
> >> clone. See,
> >>>> there's no magic behind these new Max 5
> features,
> >> they just
> >>>> unified a bit what all Max/Pd users do
> anyway in
> >> their
> >>>> patches.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's also that it's more marketable if
> they add
> >> rather
> >>>> trivial features just so that they can say
> «Max
> >> 5 has more
> >>>> features about time scale !». It's easier
> than
> >> to explain
> >>>> to them that Max doesn't need those
> features.
> >>>
> >>> Better object documentation in Pd is a trivial
> feature
> >> in this sense--
> >>> it's easier for you to spend your time
> documenting GF
> >> objects than
> >>> to explain how to read the source code. 
> (See,
> >> there's no magic behind
> >>> those GF objects!)
> >>>
> >>> Also, it's more marketable if Max has an
> object like
> >> [textedit] where
> >>> the user can type multi-line text into a box.
> >> It's easier than
> >>> picking through the Toxy graveyard and
> learning that
> >> you can't send
> >>> messages to the widget unless its containing
> canvas is
> >> visible, then
> >>> trying to work with [entry] and having the
> data you
> >> typed in the
> >>> box disappear because you minimized the
> window.
> >> Then realizing that the
> >>> whole reason you're looking for an object
> that
> >> corresponds to [textedit]
> >>> is because you can't resize message boxes (and
> they
> >> don't appear on a gop canvas).
> >>>
> >>> -Jonathan
> >>
> >> You could try tkwidgets/text.  I really
> should finish
> >> that library.  Its
> >> close to done, and it'll probably a suite of nice
> GUI
> >> objects, including
> >> something like textedit.
> >>
> >> .hc
> >>
> >>
> >
> > That sounds cool.
> >
> > Hm, I was reading through the sourcerepositories page
> on
> > puredata.info, and I'm not sure how I'd go about
> trying those
> > objects out.  Do I need to compile pd-extended
> from svn, or is
> > there a way to just compile that library and use it
> with the
> > nightly build?  (I tried make in tkwidgets/ but
> got the "no rule
> > to make target" error.)
> >
> > -Jonathan
> 
> 
> Ok, I fixed the build system and undid some silly changes
> that broke  
> everything.  It is now in a working state:
> 
> svn co https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/externals/tkwidgets
> cd tkwidgets
> make
> 
> You should have a recent version of Pd-extended installed
> in order for  
> it to build.
> 
> .hc

Ok it works now, but I had to change
CFLAGS = -DPD -I"$(PD_INCLUDE)/pd" -Wall -W -g
to
CFLAGS = -DPD -I"$(PD_INCLUDE)/pdextended" -Wall -W -g
in the Makefile.

tkwidgets/text
* If I create the object and type some text, the text disappears 
if I minimize the window
* If I type the object's name into an object box and click on 
the part of the empty canvas where the text object will 
consequently appear, I can't type anything into the text box.
* I get this error upon creation:
.x85eab08.c.frame85da330.widget85da330 insert end \{\}
and I can't even send a "set foo" message to get text into the 
box.

-Jonathan