[PD] Musical notation object on Pd

[Caio Barros]

Oh yes, and another thing is that I want eventualy to use microtonal
intervals too. I believe that using those programs as a midi interface
doesn't work for that, am I right?

2010/11/5 Caio Barros <caio.barros at gmail.com>

> João: what you are saing sounds good, but in that discussion I could hardly
> see how that object works.
>
> Bernardo: That looks awesome and is almost in the same direction I had in
> mind (I was definetly thinking in CAC programms) too bad article doesn't
> have a download link, I wonder if that program can output data besides
> taking it and transforming into notation.
>
> Lorenzo: that makes sense but I don't know how to do it, this can be of
> great great help but I still think that an object inside Pd would be much
> more confortable. Like Marcus Bittencourt say in the article, the idea would
> be to incorporate some CAC tools into Pd and ultimately make a free,
> open-source tool for both things.
>
> I could make those calculations i'm doing using another program (at the end
> it's all just numbers) but, first, the program I know best is Pd, and
> second, I like to use a tool made for music to do musical calculations. In
> my oppining the thing is that this kind of interface is much more human
> friendly (at least musicianship friendly) and makes the interaction more fun
> and visualization of the problems easier.
>
> Just to put it in a context, what i'm doing right now is buiding a patch to
> calculate the harmonic nets (or harmonic networks, I don't know what is the
> best translation), a composition technique created by the belgian composer
> Henri Pousseur. At the moment this patch is too much crude for me to share
> it, besides being writen in portuguese, my native language. When it is more
> presentable I'll show it, but i'm very happy with the results so far.
>
> Caio Barros
>
> 2010/11/4 Lorenzo Sutton <lsutton at libero.it>
>
> This is an interesting topic... but just to give you another
>> direction/point of view, as I'm not sure exactly what your final aim is. You
>> can hook up any jack-aware program that does notation to Pd via midi (for
>> e.g. Rosegarden or even MuseScore) this, can be both ways (Pd could send
>> midi data to these programs, for example to do the algorithmic "assisted
>> composition" stuff).
>> Not sure if anything of this makes sense to you.
>>
>> Lorenzo
>>
>> Caio Barros wrote:
>>
>>> Hello guys.
>>> I've been dreaming about an object that would display musical notation
>>> and output data (like midi numbers for instance).
>>> I found a discutions about something like that here in our list (
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/msg19969.html) but this was a
>>> discussion about creating live musical notation for performance, and what I
>>> have in mind is something more like a Computer Assisted CompoResearch tool.
>>> If i'm not mistaken Open Music and PWGL (http://www2.siba.fi/PWGL/)
>>> already have something like this.
>>>
>>> Look at the images I made of how this object would look like:
>>> - The input would be a message with the midi number of the pitch, and the
>>> object would display a Treble or Bass cleff with the note and output the
>>> number of the pitch through the outlet (cleff_pd_01.png).
>>> - It would be possible to alterate the pitch by holding and dragging the
>>> mouse (cleff_pd_02.png)
>>> - Chords could be made... (cleff_pd_03.png)
>>> - or melodies... (cleff_pd_04.png)
>>> - or even sequences of chords. (cleff_pd_05.png)
>>>
>>> The output could easily be transformed into notation for lilypond, for
>>> instance (like Collin Oldham did in that thread I mentioned).
>>>
>>> Do you think it's possible to do something like that? At the moment I
>>> don't have the money to pay a programmer to do that (I would happily do it
>>> if I could). Maybe I can learn how to do this, but I don't know where to
>>> start.
>>> I already see some complications to build this object:
>>> - it would have to stretch itself so the chords and melodies would fit;
>>> - It would have to decide what cleff to use (or maybe not, the user could
>>> send a message like [treble<);
>>> - There should have a way to choose between flat and sharp;
>>> - A nice thing would be to have more than one staff at once, like a piano
>>> staff for instance, and so on...
>>>
>>> For now I'm just wondering if something like this could be done. I've
>>> been doing some calculations of composition techniques using Pd and I miss
>>> musical notation so much.
>>>
>>> Bye!
>>> Caio Barros
>>>
>>> Bonus: I made an abstraction to transform midi note to pitch name and
>>> also frequency as a part of a bunch of composition tools I use. (and after I
>>> read those threads about creating the notation object in GEM I discovered
>>> that some people already did it, but here it go anyway). see midi_note.pd
>>>
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