[PD] Pd-X update confusion

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

On Jan 3, 2011, at 12:13 AM, Kim Cascone wrote:

> On 01/02/2011 08:31 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>
>> Your best bet is to use the default preferences, i.e. remove  
>> ~/.pdextended.
> OK I'll try this
>> For example, you need to first load the 'libdir' library in order  
>> to load the rest.
> libdir is the first lib listed in the startup list
>>  If you want to maintain a custom ~/.pdextended, then use the  
>> included preferences in /usr/lib/pd-extended/default.pdextended.
> I just want to use the .pdsettings file I was using -- at least all  
> my old paths are listed there so I'm fairly certain I was using this
>>
>> I think the best way to manage preferences is to embed them into  
>> the patch itself, i.e. using [import], [declare].
>
> not sure I follow...if my paths are declared in a patch how can I  
> call an external from a lib that is being used by that same patch?  
> wouldn't it be better to have everything (externals, libs etc) load  
> in at app launch?

If a lib uses another lib, then it should also load it.  I usually use  
namespace prefixes in that case, i.e. [ggee/getdir] or [zexy/ 
makesymbol].

.hc

>
>>  For audio and midi settings see these help patches in the Help  
>> Browser:
>
>>
>> hcs -> get-audio-dialog-help.pd
>> hcs -> get-midi-dialog-help.pd
>>
>> But I must confess, I almost always use the built-in audio on my  
>> laptop, so my setup is quite simple.
> yeah I did as well and only used Jack when talking to my USB audio  
> card
> but now since the ALSA OSS emulation layer is no longer in the  
> kernel I suppose I'll need to use Jack for everything - which is not  
> a problem just have to get in the habit of using Jack to point to my  
> various devices
>
> question: if there is no longer an ALSA OSS emulation layer in the  
> kernel and never was ALSA support
> why does the GUI still have OSS and ALSA as selections in the pull  
> down menu?
>>
>> .hc
>>
>>
>> On Jan 2, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Kim Cascone wrote:
>>
>>> I am now just getting back into pd mode since Sept
>>>
>>> and I just recently upgraded Ubuntu from 9.04 -> 10.10
>>>
>>> which needed a kernel broadcom wifi driver tweak
>>>
>>> I installed the 'PD-0.42.5-extended-20101205' using the .deb package
>>> (because it works perfectly on my Dell mini9 (which I use as a  
>>> test sandbox))
>>>
>>> I tested all my Linux audio apps on Ubuntu 10.10
>>> (my config is in the sig at the end of this email)
>>> and every one checked out OK
>>> except for baudline which wasn't working with ALSA
>>>
>>> the reason it wasn't working with ALSA - as related to me by the  
>>> developer - was that
>>> 'Ubuntu 10.10 removed kernel ALSA OSS emulation' but baudline does  
>>> work with Jack'
>>>
>>>
>>> so I'm having a lot of problems getting Pd set up the way it was  
>>> on my 9.04 system
>>> which was working fine up until my upgrade
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a few questions related to problems that are causing much  
>>> confusion:
>>>
>>> problem #1:
>>> ===========
>>> no audio via ALSA
>>>
>>> - I open the Audio Settings panel, point my settings to my USB  
>>> card, click save, apply
>>>   - open and start the Test Audio patch
>>>   - there is no audio
>>>   - the console doesn't say anything about trying to find or  
>>> connect to an audio device
>>>   - re-open the Audio settings panel and the settings are all  
>>> switched back to my 'nanokontrol'
>>>
>>> the ~/.pdextended file says:
>>> noaudioin: True
>>> noaudioout: True
>>>
>>> I try the same procedure with Jack and there is audio
>>> and ALSA midi also seems to work fine
>>>
>>> is there a problem with ALSA and Pd now due to the removal of ALSA  
>>> OSS emulation?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> problem #2:
>>> ===========
>>> Libraries are not loading
>>>
>>> - all the libraries that were installed with 0.42.5 are not found  
>>> even though they are listed in the .pdextended file
>>> - I read on the Pd FAQ page that '.pdextended' is the file where  
>>> all the paths are stored
>>> but I was using Pd extended in my studio and all my paths (I  
>>> think) were in the '.pdsettings' file which supposedly was used  
>>> only by the pd plain vanilla version
>>>
>>> - was there a change made to the settings file name between Sept  
>>> and now?
>>> - and is there a simpler way of re-constituting my paths other  
>>> than doing it by hand?
>>>
>>> can someone point me to something that can bring me up to date on  
>>> changes since Sept?
>>> a change log or something?
>>>
>>> any/all help is very appreciated!!
>>>
>>> oh yeah, happy new year!
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> *my Linux audio perf config:*
>>> Dell Studio 15 Core2 Duo 2.0GHz 3G-RAM
>>> Ubuntu 10.10
>>> kernel 2.6.35-24-generic
>>> jackd version jackdmp 1.9.6
>>> Ardour 2.8.11
>>> Pd version 0.42.5-extended
>>> USB iMic audio interface
>>> Korg nanoKontrol
>>> cpufreq-set - both cpu's are set to 2.0GHz and userspace
>>>
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