[PD] Am I alone?

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Wed, 2/2/11, patko <colet.patrice at free.fr> wrote:

> From: patko <colet.patrice at free.fr>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Am I alone?
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "pd-list" <pd-list at iem.at>
> Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 12:37 PM
>  Music is something we can have
> permenantly in the mind, and this is actually hidden from
> anyone point of view, 
> no one would be actually ridiculous by generating music
> with brain (Can you say that about chicken dance?).

I chose the example of the Chicken Dance exactly because it is 
ridiculous, so I agree with you, but fail to see the relevance.

Also-- what do you mean by point of view?  If you mean a visualization 
of the activity, I suppose I could also say a dancer can imagine their 
own Chicken Dance in kinesthetic terms, quite separate from any 
sound or image.

> 
>  Tools have been developped to reproduce this music for
> sharing a projection around a consensus that is different
> following different social groups. We're just trying not to
> be alone.

What do you mean when you say "this music"?

> 
>  If you play didjeridoo your brain will reproduce sounds of
> didjeridoo as well as melodies or any kind of language,
> where accurateness will depends of the the understanding of
> the mind that is trying to reproduce it.
> 
>  Listeners might need to be educated but I have some
> reasons to doubt about it, a baby for example would rather
> get comfortable with smooth, nice music that uses to follow
> the rules of intelligent structures rather than weird noises
> coming out from industrail machines or randomly tuned
> synthetisers (rather that things we are undergoing). 
> 
>  At the other side, a too well educated listener might get
> bored when melodies always follow the same rules, like if we
> always take the same road, with same conditions, that's
> certainly why composers came to arrhythmia, dodecaphonism,
> serial and spectral music, for breaking the rules.
> 
>  But like in everything there is a need for an equilibrium.
> Breaking the rule for just breaking the rule have no
> interest if the rule have not been deployed along a musical
> piece, if the composer or the interpret don't navigate in
> and out of the rule, musicality can easyly loose it's
> interest to be listened. There is no interest to play out of
> tune if there is no tune at all.
> 
>  Also there is not idea *behind* music, music *is* the
> idea. 

It depends on how you define "idea behind music".

I believe matju means the process that led to music getting produced, 
or written, or whatever.  In that case the idea is not the music.

> 
> And anyway, anytime, music is the best.
> 
> ----- "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> a écrit :
> 
> > Reasonable Kate: Have you ever heard of the Chicken
> Dance?
> > Questionable Chris: There is no such thing as the
> Chicken Dance. The
> > Chicken Dance is not a thing at all but an activity,
> something that
> > people
> > do.
> > 
> > Sad irony: Chris ends up _not_ dancing that night.
> > 
> > -Jonathan
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 2/2/11, J. Simon van der Walt <tedthetrumpet at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: J. Simon van der Walt <tedthetrumpet at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [PD] Am I alone?
> > > To: pd-list at iem.at
> > > Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 6:46 AM
> > > On 2 February 2011 03:13, Jonathan
> > > Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > But we're not talking about the man, we're
> talking
> > > about the music.
> > >
> > > ‘There is no such thing as music. Music is not
> a thing at
> > > all but an
> > > activity, something that people do.’
> > >
> > > Christopher Small (1998) ‘Musicking: The
> Meanings of
> > > Performing and Listening’
> > >
> > > --
> > > J. Simon van der Walt - Composer
> > > www.jsimonvanderwalt.com
> > > +44 (0) 7905 270 198
> > >
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