[PD] implementing tooltips WAS: Pd-extended 0.43 updates: lots of new editing features

[Jonathan Wilkes]

--- On Tue, 7/12/11, Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at> wrote:

> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> Subject: Re: implementing tooltips WAS: [PD] Pd-extended 0.43 updates: lots of new editing features
> To: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Mathieu Bouchard" <matju at artengine.ca>, "Martin Peach" <martin.peach at sympatico.ca>, "pd-list" <pd-list at iem.at>
> Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 4:40 AM
> 
> On Jul 11, 2011, at 10:03 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 7/12/11, Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Mathieu Bouchard <matju at artengine.ca>
> >> Subject: Re: implementing tooltips WAS: [PD]
> Pd-extended 0.43 updates: lots of new editing features
> >> To: "Hans-Christoph Steiner" <hans at at.or.at>
> >> Cc: "Jonathan Wilkes" <jancsika at yahoo.com>,
> "Martin Peach" <martin.peach at sympatico.ca>,
> "pd-list" <pd-list at iem.at>
> >> Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2011, 3:28 AM
> >> On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Hans-Christoph
> >> Steiner wrote:
> >> 
> >>> IMHO, I don't think we should support other
> ways of
> >> specifying the help file. There are very few
> objects that
> >> use it, those are fixed in Pd-extended, it'll add
> a lot to
> >> the work of doing this, etc. etc.  So I say
> just take
> >> the object name and add the '-help' to it. 
> That covers
> >> 99.5% of objects.  Then once its working, it
> should be
> >> possible to go back and add hacks to support hacks
> ;)
> >> 
> >> c_helpname is not a hack, it doesn't need to be
> «fixed»,
> >> and it shouldn't be «fixed». It's there for a
> reason.
> > 
> > One thing I'm running into is that c_helpname doesn't
> help with abstractions-- it obviously just returns
> "canvas".  I guess I could then compare to the first
> atom in te_binbuf and if it's not "pd" then it's the name of
> the abstraction.  But that still doesn't get me the
> dir.
> 
> 
> You could look for the standard help patch location first,
> and if that fails, use c_helpname to solve the issue that
> Matju brought up.

That still doesn't help with abstractions, because c_helpname is still "canvas".

Additionally, internal objects don't have a c_externdir in 0.43 vanilla, but I guess even the vanilla objects are going to be in their own lib so that won't matter going forward, right?

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