[PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?

[Jonathan Wilkes]

I believe Ivica made such a modification in Pd-l2ork-- whatever the case, moving many iemguis in 
Pd-l2ork is much snappier than in Vanilla or Pd-extended.  But I haven't measured the cpu load.

-Jonathan


----- Original Message -----
> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at>
> To: João Pais <jmmmpais at googlemail.com>
> Cc: katja <katjavetter at gmail.com>; "pd-list at iem.at" <pd-list at iem.at>; Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when toxy is discontinued?
> 
> 
> I doubt that Tcl/Tk's drawing code is being overloaded.  Instead, try 
> running "path/to/pd -stderr -d 3" and you'll see that 'pd' 
> is sending 'pd-gui' massive amounts of Tcl code to parse, compile, and 
> execute.  In the case of a move, this could be accomplished with one line of Tcl 
> to tag everything you want to move, then one move command to let Tcl/Tk do the 
> moving.
> 
> .hc
> 
> On Nov 3, 2011, at 10:31 AM, João Pais wrote:
> 
>>  those spikes is what I was predicting with the graphic overloading of 
> tcl/tk (through data structures, in this case).
>> 
>>  you could also try the following: make the "selectable area" 
> around one corner (or middle) of the button: with a tiny bit more resolution, 
> but less points in the template. if you want to keep the squares, it's even 
> better, because it helps you selecting the structs.
>> 
>>  Or one other thing: maybe can the tcl/tk code be changed, so that it 
> doesn't overload that fast? Reduce the redraw rate, or something else? (I 
> have no idea about tcl/tk)
>> 
>>  Or change the output rate of the struct object? (this might not help much)
>> 
>> 
>>  About the background grid for instant jumps, an implementation of it in run 
> mode is easy. I could try to give an example, but don't have any time for 
> now.
>> 
>> 
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>  From: katja <katjavetter at gmail.com>
>>>>  To: pd-list at iem.at
>>>>  Cc:
>>>>  Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:10 AM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [PD] how to capture window-related mouse-events when 
> toxy is discontinued?
>>>> 
>>>>  On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Jonathan Wilkes 
> <jancsika at yahoo.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>  How does the cpu usage in my demo compare to your patch where 
> you use
>>>>>  a radiobutton?
>>>> 
>>>>  Here's a cpu load comparison of objects dragged continuously 
> (on intel
>>>>  mac 2GHz):
>>>> 
>>>>  polygon in movable_box2.pd: 23 %
>>>>  polygon in 07.sequencer.pd (help browser): 16%
>>>>  radiobutton in moving_objects.pd: 12 %
>>>>  regular Pd slider: 13 %
>>>>  2D geo in a gem window: 2.5%
>>> 
>>>  I just got intermittent rises up to 50% on a dual core 64-bit amd with
>>>  all of the above.
>>> 
>>>  I imagine that the cpu load for movable_box2.pd is due to the number of
>>>  points in the polygon.  I think you could get a 20x20 draggable square 
> with 8 coordinates-- that
>>>  would be equal to the number of points in a radiobutton so maybe that 
> would get down
>>>  to a corresponding cpu load.
>>> 
>>>  I'll try some tweaks later to see if that works.
>>> 
>>>  -Jonathan
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  Your polygon method is plain vanilla Pd and that makes it 
> attractive
>>>>  for a widely shared Pd patch. No risk of broken dependencies. But I 
> am
>>>>  afraid it is too cpu-intensive, particularly on Windows. Thanks for
>>>>  sharing the idea though, it is inspiring.
>>>> 
>>>>  Katja
>>>> 
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