[PD] Pd as sound editor (issue with "scrolling" a table) ??
Jonathan Wilkes
jancsika at yahoo.com
Mon Mar 3 23:26:01 CET 2014
On 03/03/2014 01:32 PM, Pierre Massat wrote:
> I've looked seriously at data structures for the first time, and saw
> what Chris McCormick did with them, and I believe this is the way to go !
But you can't get notifications for mouseover or right-click events.
You also cannot get transparency or control the z-order among multiple
scalars. Nor scale or zoom without creating another complex and slow
wrapper on top of data structures.
Don't get me wrong-- you can do interesting things with scalars, and you
can build a wave-editor that looks quite advanced compared to what a GUI
in Pd typically looks like. But you cannot get anything that looks
remotely like a modern or even decade-old commercial wave-editor.
So I'd rather the documentation didn't send people searching around the
corners of the software for features that don't exist.
-Jonathan
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pierre.
>
>
> 2014-03-03 8:44 GMT+01:00 Billy Stiltner <billy.stiltner at gmail.com
> <mailto:billy.stiltner at gmail.com>>:
>
> seems like there was something about the way i made the wave
> editor that worked,i never tried overflowing the the things and
> my method is a hack of the pd file @xensynth and the lfo editor,
> otherwise holler at Mike Booth ala mmb.
>
> https://archive.org/search.php?query=uploader%3A%22billy.stiltner%40gmail.com%22&sort=-publicdate
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Pierre Massat <pimassat at gmail.com
> <mailto:pimassat at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> I found it following this path : help for [tabwrite] -->
> More_Info --> all_about_arrays --> Common uses for arrays in Pd
> Bummer, I thought somebody would come up with a secret table
> manipulation technique that would make this statement true...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pierre.
>
>
> 2014-03-02 19:33 GMT+01:00 Jonathan Wilkes <jancsika at yahoo.com
> <mailto:jancsika at yahoo.com>>:
>
> From that help patch:
> #X text 12 115 HELP_PATCH_AUTHORS Updated for Pd 0.38-2.
> Jonathan Wilkes
> revised the patch to conform to the PDDP template for Pd
> version 0.42.
>
> I did the refactoring of that patch, but I'm not sure who
> wrote what you're quoting.
>
> I'd say that statement is false and should be removed.
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 10:47 AM, Pierre Massat
> <pimassat at gmail.com <mailto:pimassat at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Dear list,
>
> I am working on a small patch which stores simple events
> in a table to trigger sounds later on.
> I would like to be able to edit the content of my table
> easily, which requires scrolling it, zooming in, and
> eventually editing the content.
>
> I have found away of scrolling the content, but it is very
> slow with relatively big tables (hem, even with a table
> with 20 000 samples...). Please see the example attached.
>
> I have 2 questions :
> 1) Is there a more efficient way of doing this ? Copying
> only part of the content is worse (i've tried).
> 2) Can I prevent the content of the table from spilling
> over the table to right of the left ? I get the same
> behaviour in a GOP, and putting a canvas next to the table
> to cover it doesn't work because the table content gets
> redrawn on top of it.
>
> This leads me to a more general question about something
> i've found in the help :
> "5 Wave editing: with proper manipulation of array data,
> Pd can be fully functional wave editor, complete with
> mouse-clickable cut-n-paste, pitch-shift, time expansion,
> down/upsampling, and other tools typically found in
> commercial wave editors."
> This has always sounded very appealing to me, but i wonder
> how realistic this statement is... unless i'm ignoring 80
> % of what can be done with tables in Pd.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pierre.
>
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