[PD] Update cyclone maintenance
Fred Jan Kraan
fjkraan at xs4all.nl
Sat Jun 20 10:43:27 CEST 2015
On 2015-06-19 06:37 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
>> But please do not work on cyclone and
>> break the Max/MSP compatibility.
>
> Howdy... Of course! Agreed! But not sure about the purpose of this
> remark considering what was being discussed with [rampsmooth~] and all -
I asked Hans off-list about reorganizing the cyclone source tree in the
svn repositry. I thought it could use some maintenance, but wasn't sure
it was a good idea.
> it was for the sake of compatibility. We're actually being very strict
> to make it exactly like Max here. For example, I've just mentioned
> [slide~] should have control inlets instead of audio inlets like it has.
> The fact that it also accepts audio signal doesn't break the
> compatibility, and might be nicer, but I guess it needs to be that way
> for it to be a proper clone.
Having signal inlets, means it works with control messages too. So it
won't break compatibility, IMHO. I think it doesn't need to be perfect,
as long as it close enough and usable too.
>
> cheers
Greetings,
Fred Jan
>
> 2015-06-19 11:43 GMT-03:00 Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans at at.or.at
> <mailto:hans at at.or.at>>:
>
>
> About maintaining cyclone, I think a reorg would be great, and further
> maintenance as well. If you want to do whatever you want with it,
> then just
> make a fork and work on it as a new
> name. If you want to stick to cyclone's central goal of Max/MSP
> compatibility, then keep working on it as cyclone. But please do
> not work on
> cyclone and break the Max/MSP compatibility.
>
> .hc
>
> Alexandre Torres Porres:
> > About the [rampsmooth~], I see the new object is corrected, great! One
> > thing though, I just realized how it has no audio signal inlets
> for the
> > arguments!!! It was supposed to have them, just like [slide~] does.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > 2015-06-07 7:28 GMT-03:00 Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl
> <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>>:
> >
> >> Hi Jan,
> >>
> >> Thanks for pointing this out. I had seen the logic juggling with
> >> RAMPSMOOTH_GEOMETRIC and RAMPSMOOTH_LINEAR, but hadn't came to the
> >> conclusion the default behaviour was incorrect. I changed the
> code for
> >> now, but could make the change possible at run-time, as it was
> intended.
> >> But as we already have [slide~] for this, it is not very needed.
> >>
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> Fred Jan
> >>
> >> On 2015-06-07 11:33 AM, Jan Baumgart wrote:
> >>> Actually, the linear version is already in cyclone's code.
> >>> You can choose at compile time by not setting
> >>> #define RAMPSMOOTH_GEOMETRIC
> >>>
> >>> cheers,
> >>> jan
> >>>
> >>> On 06/06/2015 10:26 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
> >>>> I have another bug to report, now in [rampsmooth~].
> >>>>
> >>>> According to its help file, it should generate a linear ramp,
> but it
> >>>> doesn't. Instead, it generates a logarithmic curve just like
> [slide~]. I
> >>>> have attached a picture that shows how both are operating in
> the same
> >>>> way, where they shouldn't.
> >>>>
> >>>> In MAX, [rampsmooth~] does in fact generate a perfectly linear
> ramp,
> >>>> unlike [slide~].
> >>>>
> >>>> I was actually able to implement [slide~] only with [fexpr~],
> making it
> >>>> 100% compatible to vanilla. If there's a filter formula tht
> generates
> >>>> perfectly linear ramps I can implement it I guess, but it should be
> >>>> fairly easy to change it in the object. I'll see what I can do
> to help.
> >>>>
> >>>> cheers
> >>>>
> >>>> 2015-06-05 18:08 GMT-03:00 Dan Wilcox <danomatika at gmail.com
> <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com>
> >>>> <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com>>>:
> >>>>
> >>>> [m_scale] is an abstraction ...
> >>>>
> >>>> --------
> >>>> Dan Wilcox
> >>>> @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika>
> >>>> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com> <http://danomatika.com>
> >>>> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com>
> <http://robotcowboy.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 5:05 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres
> >>>>> <porres at gmail.com <mailto:porres at gmail.com>
> <mailto:porres at gmail.com <mailto:porres at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yeah, I already built it with expr, so I don't really need to
> >>>>> download etxernals for that. I was just wondering if extended
> >>>>> already had such a thing, and it doesn't, so I think it's
> a nice
> >>>>> addon to cyclone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> An addon to cyclone would implicate and addon to extended, but
> >>>>> then, it's not clear it'll ever be maintained again. Last time
> >>>>> anyone talked about it in this list was 6 months ago...
> one way or
> >>>>> another, seems like a nice addon to cyclone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maybe it could be just an abstraction and it doesn't have
> to be a
> >>>>> compiled object, I see the point. But I'd like to try and
> code it
> >>>>> as an external into the cyclone library if possible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> cheers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2015-06-05 17:50 GMT-03:00 Dan Wilcox
> <danomatika at gmail.com <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com>
> >>>>> <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com <mailto:danomatika at gmail.com>>>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> See [m_scale] in rjlib:
> >>>>> https://github.com/rjdj/rjlib/tree/master/rj
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --------
> >>>>> Dan Wilcox
> >>>>> @danomatika <https://twitter.com/danomatika>
> >>>>> danomatika.com <http://danomatika.com>
> <http://danomatika.com/>
> >>>>> robotcowboy.com <http://robotcowboy.com>
> <http://robotcowboy.com/>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jun 5, 2015, at 4:35 PM,
> pd-list-request at lists.iem.at <mailto:pd-list-request at lists.iem.at>
> >>>>>> <mailto:pd-list-request at lists.iem.at
> <mailto:pd-list-request at lists.iem.at>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *From:*Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com
> <mailto:porres at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> <mailto:porres at gmail.com <mailto:porres at gmail.com>>>
> >>>>>> *Subject:**Re: [PD] Update cyclone maintenance*
> >>>>>> *Date:*June 5, 2015 at 4:34:55 PM EDT
> >>>>>> *To:*Fred Jan Kraan <fjkraan at xs4all.nl
> <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>
> >>>>>> <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl <mailto:fjkraan at xs4all.nl>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm voting for a new [scale] and [scale~] object in
> cyclone,
> >>>>>> the second is missing completely in extended, the
> first is
> >>>>>> around, but in different versions, like
> [maxlib/scale], which
> >>>>>> has a log option, and is actually buggy, and the
> >>>>>> [expr_scale], which is just an expr abstraction.
> Seems like
> >>>>>> very simple externals to make and I could go ahead
> and code
> >>>>>> them. I think they'd be really useful. For example,
> [scale~]
> >>>>>> would be essential to adjust the amplitude range from
> LFOs to
> >>>>>> control your patches. the [scale] would be good for
> adjusting
> >>>>>> MIDI input.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> cheers
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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