[PD] "G05.execution.order" issue (bug? just wrong?)

[Joe White]

I think that was what I trying to point in my original post.

I believe IOhannes is referring to the fact that by looking at the patch it
sometimes isn't possible to evaluate the correct order of operations, and
therefore is 'undefined'.

On 8 September 2015 at 15:29, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com>
wrote:

> cause if so, as I understant it, it is "defined", but not to get into the
> technical discussion about programming languages. It's just a synonym to
> "reliable", and I think it is important to note that, because otherwise you
> can give the idea to people that it'll be chaotic and all, when it isn't
> (that happened to me).
>
> cheers
>
> 2015-09-08 11:20 GMT-03:00 Joe White <white.joe4 at gmail.com>:
>
>> Apologies for derailing the thread
>>
>>  Ive saved the file and it is is now behaving the way I want every time I
>>> open it, can I *rely* that it will always open and work like that if no
>>> one edits the file changing the order of connections and everything?
>>
>>
>> (As far as I know) you can be certain that a patch will run repeatedly
>> the same way as long as no modifications to the file are made.
>>
>> The only caveat would be using an object like random, where its number
>> generator state is remembered for the lifetime of the Pd application
>> running your patch. However, if you reopen the whole application it'll be
>> reset.
>>
>> On 8 September 2015 at 15:05, Alexandre Torres Porres <porres at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> wow, this is quite a technical and theoretical discussion, nice.
>>>
>>> but, keeping it simple and trying to avoid this nitty gritty completely,
>>> all I'm curious about is if I can *rely* on building a patch with order
>>> of creation/connection for both data and audio without trigger and
>>> subpatches.
>>>
>>> and by that, the question is: if i know what I'm doing in the patch in
>>> order to force the behaviour I want, and the patch is working in the way
>>> that I want because of that, and Ive saved the file and it is is now
>>> behaving the way I want every time I open it, can I *rely* that it will
>>> always open and work like that if no one edits the file changing the order
>>> of connections and everything?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> 2015-09-08 9:15 GMT-03:00 IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-09-08 12:21, Joe White wrote:
>>>> >  Technically it doesn't. You can remove and re-add an existing
>>>> connection
>>>> > and it could change the order.
>>>> >
>>>> > Re-instantiating objects does the same, I assume the GUI is removing
>>>> the
>>>> > object (and connection) and then re-connecting it back up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ah yes, stupid me.
>>>>
>>>> fgmasr
>>>> IOhannes
>>>>
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