[PD] A fifth IMMEDIATE YES from New Blankets [Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (Iain Duncan)]

Thu Oct 22 17:51:20 CEST 2020

Thanks Brad and Joe. Brad, yes I found your work when I was doing research,
and it was good validation that such a thing could work! I wound up going
with S7 over Common Lisp as the embedding story is really simple, and I
like the way S7 has CL macros but one simple namespace (similar to Clojure
and Janet) which works nicely in Max.

iain

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:35 AM Brad Garton <garton at columbia.edu> wrote:

> This sounds like a terrific project!
>
> I don't know if this is of interest, but I wrote a Common Lisp interpreter
> object for Max/MSP awhile ago.  The interpreter was implemented in java, so
> I'm not sure if it runs with contemporary Max/MSP-s (they dropped explicit
> java support, but I've heard from some that it still works).
>
> http://sites.music.columbia.edu/brad/maxlispj/
>
> brad
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:32 AM Joe Deken <newblankets at newblankets.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Ian,
>> (Allowing for time-zones and the dateline) I would eagerly like to be the
>>
>>         -- FIFTH IMMEDIATE HEARTY "YES" VOTE!? --
>>
>> From my own viewpoint, the introduction of LISP structures and capability
>> into
>> Pd would be seminal to new visions and vistas for Pd itself.  (I am warped
>> by having conversations
>> with Chris McCormick and other aficionados of Clojure, incorrigible years
>> myself with emacs-LISP, and even -- when dinosaurs roamed the earth, with
>> giants such as John McCarthy -- some small bit of tme of my own in his
>> shop and among his disciples at CSAIL.
>>
>> Lest my mind wander (further), I'll say this more concretely: New Blankets
>> is happy to offer resources
>> for your efforts if such resources would turn out to be useful. (Not the
>> dreaded "bounty" avenue -- I'm thinking more of something like a
>> *Pd-Weekend* at my place here in San Diego (or at yours) --  Such PdW
>> would be a "round workbench" session as Katja dubs  --  you could present
>> your PdScheme work (when you're ready) to a hands-on group who would riff
>> on your schemes  and move them forward.  At first attempt, this Pd-Weekend
>> could even be virtual and open to all via round-workbench sessions at say:
>>    --  https://meet.jit.si/duncan_pd_scheme/ --
>>
>> A personal plea ... hope you will include in your vision the wonderful
>> ideas of Brian Harvey and his SNAP! visual-interfacing achievements. (Some
>> antidote is needed with real LISP to counter the bogus infestation of
>> Scratch! which seems to have taken pernicious hold world wide ...)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, October 22, 2020 1:34 am, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at wrote:
>>
>>
>>     1. Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (Iain
>> Duncan)
>>
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > > Message: 1
>> > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:14:26 -0700
>> > From: Iain Duncan <iainduncanlists at gmail.com>
>> > To: pd-list at lists.iem.at
>> > Subject: [PD] Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for
>> >       PD
>> > Hello, I'm the author of Scheme for Max, a relatively new open source
>> external for Max/MSP that hosts an embedded Scheme Lisp interpreter
>> using
>> > S7, the Scheme implementation from Bill at CCRMA, also used in Snd and
>> Common Music. The external allows one to do things like script and live
>> code Max in scheme, including evaluating lisp code on the fly from files
>> or
>> > message boxes, sending messages to other objects, writing to and from
>> common data structures, and interacting with the scheduler. I'm pretty
>> excited about how well it's working for my purposes, and will be doing a
>> new release this fall as part of my MMus at UVic, as well as turning it
>> into a thesis project. I also intend to include full support for the
>> Common
>> > Music algorithmic composition toolkit (which also is programmed in S7
>> scheme or SAL)
>> >
>> > I have been kicking around the idea of trying a PD port, and wanted to
>> check whether this sounded interesting to folks in PD land. I like the
>> idea
>> > of port because it's always good to be have one's work usable on more
>> than
>> > one platform, and linux support would be good for low latency use cases
>> and
>> > things like running on small machines. I expect this would be a
>> > significant
>> > amount of work though, so figured I'd see if it sounded interesting to
>> folks first.
>> >
>> > You can get the idea of how it works from the v1 demo video if you want
>> to
>> > see what I'm getting at. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErirIFCTdjg
>> >
>> > Comments, questions, feedback welcome.
>> >
>> > Iain
>>
>>
>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:35:01 +0200
>> > From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
>> ...
>> > so now that you ask: i think it would be great.
>> >
>> > gfadmsr
>> > IOhannes
>>
>>
>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Message: 3
>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:56:16 +0200
>> > From: "Peter P." <peterparker at fastmail.com>
>>
>> ...
>> > It would be great to have esp common list available in Pd as part of an
>> open-source licensed external indeed.
>> > ------------------------------
>>
>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Message: 4
>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:49:59 +0100
>> > From: Andy Farnell <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk>
>> ....
>> >
>> > Would love to see Scheme come to Pd.
>> > Thanks for that Iain.
>> >
>> > Andy
>>
>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Message: 5
>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:27:10 +0200
>> > From: ub <ub at xdv.org>
>> ....
>> > i first met functional programming with fluxus and it turned my head
>> inside out. %-)
>> >
>> > would be absolutely great to have that in pd!
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> >
>> > ub
>>
>>
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