[PD] A fifth IMMEDIATE YES from New Blankets [Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (Iain Duncan)]

Thu Oct 22 20:49:45 CEST 2020

I think that's a good approach.  You can do a lot with multiple instances!

The chuck~ object is really ancient now, I doubt it runs.  And the sc3~
object (also really ancient) was a test to see if I could 'embed' it inside
max/msp without violating the copyright restrictions.

I have updated the rtcmix~ object recently, both max/msp and pd versions;
OSX and WIndows 10.  We're using rtcmix a lot in our unity work.  Fun!

brad

On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 10:59 AM Iain Duncan <iainduncanlists at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Brad, what I have working in Max is that each object is one isolated
> interpreter so that users can have multiple instances, including the
> ability to run one in the scheduler thread and one in the low priority gui
> thread. I have thought about enabling a global one as well, but it's
> pretty easy to use send and receive objects to simulate that with the
> current system, while the reverse was not true. This was one of the reasons
> I chose S7 actually, I looked at Chicken but it's not re-entrant so
> multiple instances was not going to be simple to do. I've been meaning to
> check out your code for the the sc and chuck objects too!
>
> iain
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 10:38 AM Brad Garton <garton at columbia.edu> wrote:
>
>> One question occurs to me:  do you plan for multiple object
>> instantiations?  For my lisp interpreter, you can do that BUT all of the
>> instantiated objects in the patcher communicate with a single interpreter
>> (i.e. they can share data, symbols, etc.).  In some of the other objects I
>> did (rtcmix~, sc3~, chuck~) I allowed multiple patcher objects and each one
>> was a separate instance of the language.  There are costs and benefits both
>> ways, of course.
>>
>> brad
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:51 AM Iain Duncan <iainduncanlists at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Brad and Joe. Brad, yes I found your work when I was doing
>>> research, and it was good validation that such a thing could work! I wound
>>> up going with S7 over Common Lisp as the embedding story is really simple,
>>> and I like the way S7 has CL macros but one simple namespace (similar to
>>> Clojure and Janet) which works nicely in Max.
>>>
>>> iain
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 8:35 AM Brad Garton <garton at columbia.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This sounds like a terrific project!
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if this is of interest, but I wrote a Common Lisp
>>>> interpreter object for Max/MSP awhile ago.  The interpreter was implemented
>>>> in java, so I'm not sure if it runs with contemporary Max/MSP-s (they
>>>> dropped explicit java support, but I've heard from some that it still
>>>> works).
>>>>
>>>> http://sites.music.columbia.edu/brad/maxlispj/
>>>>
>>>> brad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 7:32 AM Joe Deken <newblankets at newblankets.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Ian,
>>>>> (Allowing for time-zones and the dateline) I would eagerly like to be
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>         -- FIFTH IMMEDIATE HEARTY "YES" VOTE!? --
>>>>>
>>>>> From my own viewpoint, the introduction of LISP structures and
>>>>> capability
>>>>> into
>>>>> Pd would be seminal to new visions and vistas for Pd itself.  (I am
>>>>> warped
>>>>> by having conversations
>>>>> with Chris McCormick and other aficionados of Clojure, incorrigible
>>>>> years
>>>>> myself with emacs-LISP, and even -- when dinosaurs roamed the earth,
>>>>> with
>>>>> giants such as John McCarthy -- some small bit of tme of my own in his
>>>>> shop and among his disciples at CSAIL.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lest my mind wander (further), I'll say this more concretely: New
>>>>> Blankets
>>>>> is happy to offer resources
>>>>> for your efforts if such resources would turn out to be useful. (Not
>>>>> the
>>>>> dreaded "bounty" avenue -- I'm thinking more of something like a
>>>>> *Pd-Weekend* at my place here in San Diego (or at yours) --  Such PdW
>>>>> would be a "round workbench" session as Katja dubs  --  you could
>>>>> present
>>>>> your PdScheme work (when you're ready) to a hands-on group who would
>>>>> riff
>>>>> on your schemes  and move them forward.  At first attempt, this
>>>>> Pd-Weekend
>>>>> could even be virtual and open to all via round-workbench sessions at
>>>>> say:
>>>>>    --  https://meet.jit.si/duncan_pd_scheme/ --
>>>>>
>>>>> A personal plea ... hope you will include in your vision the wonderful
>>>>> ideas of Brian Harvey and his SNAP! visual-interfacing achievements.
>>>>> (Some
>>>>> antidote is needed with real LISP to counter the bogus infestation of
>>>>> Scratch! which seems to have taken pernicious hold world wide ...)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, October 22, 2020 1:34 am, pd-list-request at lists.iem.at wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     1. Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for PD (Iain
>>>>> Duncan)
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> > > Message: 1
>>>>> > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:14:26 -0700
>>>>> > From: Iain Duncan <iainduncanlists at gmail.com>
>>>>> > To: pd-list at lists.iem.at
>>>>> > Subject: [PD] Checking for interest: Scheme interpreter external for
>>>>> >       PD
>>>>> > Hello, I'm the author of Scheme for Max, a relatively new open source
>>>>> external for Max/MSP that hosts an embedded Scheme Lisp interpreter
>>>>> using
>>>>> > S7, the Scheme implementation from Bill at CCRMA, also used in Snd
>>>>> and
>>>>> Common Music. The external allows one to do things like script and live
>>>>> code Max in scheme, including evaluating lisp code on the fly from
>>>>> files
>>>>> or
>>>>> > message boxes, sending messages to other objects, writing to and from
>>>>> common data structures, and interacting with the scheduler. I'm pretty
>>>>> excited about how well it's working for my purposes, and will be doing
>>>>> a
>>>>> new release this fall as part of my MMus at UVic, as well as turning it
>>>>> into a thesis project. I also intend to include full support for the
>>>>> Common
>>>>> > Music algorithmic composition toolkit (which also is programmed in S7
>>>>> scheme or SAL)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I have been kicking around the idea of trying a PD port, and wanted
>>>>> to
>>>>> check whether this sounded interesting to folks in PD land. I like the
>>>>> idea
>>>>> > of port because it's always good to be have one's work usable on more
>>>>> than
>>>>> > one platform, and linux support would be good for low latency use
>>>>> cases and
>>>>> > things like running on small machines. I expect this would be a
>>>>> > significant
>>>>> > amount of work though, so figured I'd see if it sounded interesting
>>>>> to
>>>>> folks first.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > You can get the idea of how it works from the v1 demo video if you
>>>>> want
>>>>> to
>>>>> > see what I'm getting at. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErirIFCTdjg
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Comments, questions, feedback welcome.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Iain
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> > Message: 2
>>>>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:35:01 +0200
>>>>> > From: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig at iem.at>
>>>>> ...
>>>>> > so now that you ask: i think it would be great.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > gfadmsr
>>>>> > IOhannes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> > Message: 3
>>>>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:56:16 +0200
>>>>> > From: "Peter P." <peterparker at fastmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>> > It would be great to have esp common list available in Pd as part of
>>>>> an
>>>>> open-source licensed external indeed.
>>>>> > ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> > Message: 4
>>>>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:49:59 +0100
>>>>> > From: Andy Farnell <padawan12 at obiwannabe.co.uk>
>>>>> ....
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Would love to see Scheme come to Pd.
>>>>> > Thanks for that Iain.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Andy
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> > Message: 5
>>>>> > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:27:10 +0200
>>>>> > From: ub <ub at xdv.org>
>>>>> ....
>>>>> > i first met functional programming with fluxus and it turned my head
>>>>> inside out. %-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > would be absolutely great to have that in pd!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > cheers,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ub
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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