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joge . wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">its not really about decorations it about
helpful graphical content . useless decorations are not what java would
be used for . in my mind , java is a nice programming language in the same
vien of pd , simple to program [alot simpler then tcl/tk] and its object
oriented which resembles pd's paradigm of objects. then again i have never
worked with tcl/tk to any extent but from what i see it looks very mangaled
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graphics in Java has always been the weak point, <br>
and i don't find it particularly pretty in <br>
any of its skins. .. i did a lot of projects <br>
with JSP, Servlets, J2EE...but no graphics.<br>
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+ java will hardly allow client/server structure<br>
between PD and PD-GUI, if you use RMI,<br>
you'll also get troubles with performances.<br>
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client/server structure is a real good feature in PD. <br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">this is what i mean by helpful graphical
content : a language like python or java , is graphically helpful when you
see the text its some what more intuitive for a person who has programmed
in c/c++ to follow the code and then to take there hand at modifing it as
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Also i think the tcl/tk windowing graphics
can be a bit *raw* for new comers to pd to get into it right off the bat
. i know lots of peoplt who buy apple computers to run Max/MSP [well that
and the documentation helps too] . i mean most people that use a program
like pd are not hardcore programmers , they are artists that have a strong
background in computers and wish to do some cool/interesting/playful project
with computers that perhaps they couldnt do any other way .</font></div>
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i also know some artists who like the aesthetic of PD's appearance . . .<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">any how , i would like to hear more
about what you and every one else thinks about tcl/tk and why its the way
to go for pd's gui editor . i personally would like to try my hand at implementing
a java alternative for pd with extensive class stuctures that can be easily
documented [javadoc] , maintained and modified by any one with experience
in OO programming .</font></div>
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lot of work ahead !!! but, if you loose<br>
client/server structure then <br>
you'll get to a less flexible tool. . . good luck . . . <br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">joge .</font></div>
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