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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>its not really about decorations it about helpful
graphical content . useless decorations are not what java would be used
for . in my mind , java is a nice programming language in the same vien of
pd , simple to program [alot simpler then tcl/tk] and its object
oriented which resembles pd's paradigm of objects. then again i have never
worked with tcl/tk to any extent but from what i see it looks very mangaled and
not very "friendly" . this is what i mean by helpful graphical content : a
language like python or java , is graphically helpful when you see the text
its some what more intuitive for a person who has programmed in c/c++ to
follow the code and then to take there hand at modifing it as they see fit
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also i think the tcl/tk windowing graphics can be a
bit *raw* for new comers to pd to get into it right off the bat . i know
lots of peoplt who buy apple computers to run Max/MSP [well that and the
documentation helps too] . i mean most people that use a program like pd
are not hardcore programmers , they are artists that have a strong
background in computers and wish to do some cool/interesting/playful project
with computers that perhaps they couldnt do any other way .</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>any how , i would like to hear more about what you
and every one else thinks about tcl/tk and why its the way to go for pd's gui
editor . i personally would like to try my hand at implementing a java
alternative for pd with extensive class stuctures that can be easily documented
[javadoc] , maintained and modified by any one with experience in OO
programming . </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>joge .</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=ydegoyon@free.fr href="mailto:ydegoyon@free.fr">Yves Degoyon</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at
href="mailto:pd-list@iem.kug.ac.at">'Pure Data'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:47
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PD] pd-gui wishlist</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV><BR><BR>Frank Barknecht
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:20020423164335.B1311@fliwatut.scifi type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Hi,<BR>mark hat gesagt: // mark wrote:<BR></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">I know its boring but the main thing I would like from the GUI <BR>is for it to look nicer - Jmax despite not doing half the things <BR>I want it to looks fantastic and is nice to use. <BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->Yes, but as it's wishing time ;) I would also like the PD gui to be<BR>faster. Some patches, especially those with lots of number boxes, run<BR>a lot faster when pd is started with -nogui<BR>ciao,<BR></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>speaking of light-speed interfaces, java is certainly not the
way.<BR>and if you like a lot of decorations ( which i don't,<BR>i'd rather a
pure interface ), you're not going in that way neither.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>about decorations, Tcl/Tk is not a limitation for that,<BR>latest
relesases includes transparency, it doesn't do <BR>3D-accelerated graohics, ok
.... but do we use it outside of Gem ? ? ?<BR><BR>about tool tips poping up, i
hope it was only meant for edition mode,<BR>in performance mode, it would be
an impediment.<BR><BR>you might be surprised i dislike useless decorations,
knowing<BR>i did some graphical externs, but heavy graphic operations<BR>for
these objects are launched at patch loading time <BR>or in the
background.<BR><BR>i'm not sure it's useful to update numbers or sliders each
1/1000 second.<BR><BR>yvotchka. <BR>Unauthorized
pd<BR><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>