<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>Best to take this off list, but I thought the 945 chip series was incompatible with TPM support, although some of the other hardware elements would be compatible. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><A href="http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/imac-coreduo.ars">http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/imac-coreduo.ars</A> says </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana">from looking at </FONT><A href="http://mactree.sannet.ne.jp/%7ekodawarisan/imac_intel/imac_intel01.html"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#2A8028">pictures</FONT></FONT></A><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"> of the chips, we were able to do some deduction from the chip numbers. The northbridge chip looks to be an 82945GM, which identifies it as the </FONT><A href="http://developer.intel.com/design/chipsets/mobile/945gmdocumentation.htm"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#2A8028">Mobile Intel</FONT></FONT></A><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"> </FONT><A href="http://developer.intel.com/products/chipsets/945gm/index.htm"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#2A8028">945GM Express</FONT></FONT></A><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"> chipset. According to the S-Spec number (SL8Z2), it's a standard Intel chipset and therefore not an Apple-specific variant. The southbridge appears to be an ICH7-M, which has support for a Trusted Computing module.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV>and <A href="http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/12/how_different_are_the_new_intel-based_macs/">http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/12/how_different_are_the_new_intel-based_macs/</A> says</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV style="text-align: justify;"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana">If it is the 945 that's running the Macs, this means that TPM won't play a role in 32-bit iMac and MacBook Pro architecture, at least for the next six months or so.</FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"> </FONT></DIV><DIV style="text-align: justify;"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV style="text-align: justify;"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana">Could you post me a link to the source which contradicts this. It would be handy to track. </FONT></DIV><DIV style="text-align: justify;"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV style="text-align: justify;"><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana">I don't trust Trusted Computing either although </FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" face="Verdana">I may just be hungry enough for an Intel Mac to compromise.</FONT></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Cefn</DIV><DIV><A href="http://cefn.com/curiosity/">http://cefn.com/curiosity/</A></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 17 Jan 2006, at 17:38, Malte Steiner wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Keep in mind, that the Macintels have the TCP (Trusted Computing Platform) chip which is activated and can't be switched off. Again Apple is a first with it (implementing and using the chip in the os) and they lost me as an customer.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cheers,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Malte</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Malte Steiner</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">media art + development</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-www.block4.com-</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:PD-list@iem.at">PD-list@iem.at</A> mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <A href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>