<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Mar 31, 2006, at 4:52 AM, Rich E wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I tried Hans' .pdsettings and Pd tells me:<BR> <BR> em: can't load library<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Is the Gem with the Gem cut off?</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> /usr/lib/pd/extra/pdp.pd_linux: libgslcblas.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory<BR> pdp: can't load library<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>You'll need to install libgslcblas.so.0:</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>apt-get install libgsl0</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> gridflow: can't load library<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>GridFlow is not in Pd-extended (yet?). GridFlow is not in the .pdsettings file that i generated. Perhaps you need to delete a ~/.pdrc?</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> ascii: can't load library<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Neither is this, I don't know what that is. Its not in the .pdsettings I generated either.</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <BR> So, I took Tom's advice and added paths for all the subfolders in /usr/lib/pd/extra. Many more things work now, but about 1/4 of everything is missing still. There are all some object errors. Here are some of the most recent that I ran into in my day's exploration:<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">ext13 - [cdplayer]<BR> load_object: Symbol "cdplayer_setup" not found<BR> cdplayer<BR> ... couldn't create<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Donno if anyone is maintaining that...</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">vasp library missing, but help files are there<BR> [pool] and [OSC] not there. [Gem] too... but I think you have mentioned this isn't possible yet.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>On GNU/Linux, those aren't included yet. But I am working on finding people to help me get it included. I need help with getting flext and Gem building with Pd-extended. Any volunteers?</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">On the positive side, the Pd Documentation Browser is really nice in 39.2. References and manuals are easy to find. On the negative side, right-click helps don't work, I probably have to add a -helppath flag for every subfolder in the pd/doc/5.reference folder. I'd like to help do what I can, but I think most of my problems are because I cannot load the 'libdirs' as your .pdsettings file does. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The libdir thing will handle the helppaths.</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <BR> I hate to always ask questions about why things aren't working... but dernit, this program has a steap learning curve and I'm working on it. You guys do amazing work and I'm determined to get up to speed at the risk of being annoying.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>It does indeed, but I don't think anyone thinks this is a good thing. Its just a matter of doing the work to make things run smoothly. One thing you could do is document your process of trying to get things working. You can get a free site on puredata.org and make a wiki page there, or whatever.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>.hc</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <BR> Richie<BR><BR>---------- Forwarded message ----------<BR><SPAN class="gmail_quote">From: <B class="gmail_sendername">Hans-Christoph Steiner</B> <<A href="mailto:hans@eds.org">hans@eds.org</A>><BR>Date: Mar 30, 2006 9:51 PM <BR>Subject: Re: [PD] can't use Pd-extended externals<BR>To: <A href="mailto:tom@danslchamp.org">tom@danslchamp.org</A><BR>Cc: pd-list <<A href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</A>><BR><BR></SPAN><DIV style="direction: ltr;"> <BR><DIV></DIV><DIV style="direction: ltr;"><SPAN class="q"><DIV>On Mar 31, 2006, at 12:24 AM, Thomas Ouellet Fredericks wrote:</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">At the end of this mail is an example of my .pdsettings<BR> My pd rests at /usr/lib/pd <BR> I use a Debian package of PD, and compile some stuff, but I pick in your compiled pd-extended externals often. Congratulations on the great job.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR></DIV></SPAN></DIV><DIV style="direction: ltr;"><DIV>Thanks, its actually the collected effort of many, many people. I guess I am the most visible since I most recently put a big chunk of work in.</DIV></DIV><DIV style="direction: ltr;"><SPAN class="q"><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I do not understand your loading of folders as libs (like toxy, cyclone, hid, etc..). Is this a kind of hack so that Pd searches those folders for the external?<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR></DIV></SPAN></DIV><DIV style="direction: ltr;"><DIV>Yeah, is a hack I call libdirs that I plan on developing further into a generic library format for objects written in any language, C, C++, Pd, C#, python, whatever. This would be in conjunction with Thomas' loader extension and things like the Common Language Runtime API for Pd that was recently announced.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Here is some documentation about the idea and what's actually implemented:</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><A href="http://puredata.org/docs/developer/Libdir" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://puredata.org/docs/developer/Libdir</A></DIV></DIV><DIV style="direction: ltr;"><SPAN class="q"><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Once Pd goes up a version I will switch to you pd-extended and try to help.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><BR></DIV></SPAN></DIV><DIV style="direction: ltr;"><DIV>Excellent! The more, the merrier :)</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <BR> Tom<BR> <BR> .pdsettings contents follows:<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Cool, just what I needed to fix up the script. Try this .pdsettings file: </DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV></DIV></DIV> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>.hc</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <BR> audioapi: 2<BR> noaudioin: False<BR> audioindev1: 0 2<BR> noaudioout: False<BR> audiooutdev1: 0 2<BR> audiobuf: 50<BR> rate: 44100<BR> nomidiin: True<BR> nomidiout: True<BR> path1: /usr/lib/pd/extra<BR> path2: /usr/lib/pd/extra/gridflow/pd_abstractions<BR> npath: 2<BR> standardpath: 1<BR> verbose: 0<BR> loadlib1: Gem<BR> loadlib2: pdp<BR> loadlib3: zexy<BR> loadlib4: gridflow<BR> loadlib5: ascii<BR> nloadlib: 5<BR> defeatrt: 0<BR> flags: <BR> <BR> <BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 3/30/06, <B class="gmail_sendername">Hans-Christoph Steiner</B> <<A href="mailto:hans@eds.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> hans@eds.org</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <BR>Or even better you could write a .pdsettings file that loads each lib/ <BR>libdir in Pd-extended and send it to me to include in future<BR>packages. I already have such a file for Mac OS X and Windows, but I<BR>haven't had a chance to make one for GNU/Linux. <BR><BR>Here's the list of libs included in Pd-extended: <BR><BR>Gem cyclone zexy cxc ext13 fftease hid iemabs iemmatrix liblist list-<BR>abs mapping mar<BR>kex maxlib memento mjlib motex oscx pddp pdogg pdp pidip pixeltango <BR>pmpd rradical sigpack smlib toxy unauthorized vasp vbap xsample <BR><BR>This script automatically generates the Mac OS X and Windows one:<BR><BR><A href="http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/pure-data/scripts/generate-pd-" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/pure-data/scripts/generate-pd-</A><BR>settings-files.sh?rev=1.2&view=log<BR><BR>Probably the best solution would be to add the code to make this<BR>script also generate a .pd-settings file for GNU/Linux. <BR><BR>.hc<BR><BR>On Mar 30, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Thomas Ouellet Fredericks wrote:<BR><BR>> You could dump all the externals that are in the subdirectories back<BR>> into the extra directory or you could add all the subdirectory paths <BR>> to your Path... submenu in PD.<BR>><BR>> Tom<BR>><BR>> On 3/30/06, Rich E <<A href="mailto:reakinator@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">reakinator@gmail.com </A>> wrote:<BR>>> Could anyone help me get the linux Pd-extended examples working? <BR>>> I have<BR>>> both 38.4-RC8 and 39.2-test1 running, but with the same problem:<BR>>> none of<BR>>> the externals in the example patches are found. I can use the <BR>>> externals in<BR>>> pd/extra/ but most of the externals that are in subdirectories are <BR>>> not<BR>>> locatable within Pd.<BR>>><BR>>> Everything installs smoothly...and there doesn't seem to be any <BR>>> libraries<BR>>> that need to be loaded.. 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