<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>Well given the amount of info to look through here, I've plenty to be getting on with before I come back with more questions. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>M</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On 25 May 2006, at 00:26, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">lol here's where we find out Mat's character.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>Does he disappear</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">forever or start asking more questions?<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>jk</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I second these:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Pd_documentation/">http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Pd_documentation/</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/padawan12/onlinetutorials/html/tutorials_main.html">http://www.obiwannabe.co.uk/padawan12/onlinetutorials/html/tutorials_main.html</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/">http://www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/techniques/latest/book-html/</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">The rest I'm not too familiar with.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>This last one, Miller's book, is</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">booyah, and Andy's tutorials are phenomenal too, besides being easy to</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">read and divided into bite-sized morsels.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>They're from a sound-design</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">point of view, but that means a lot of synthesis talkage.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I've also learned a lot from the PD Help files, not sure if that was</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">one of the links.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>And 'The Csound Book', though a lot of that is</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">specific to Csound opcodes, which in themselves seem kind of opaque to</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">me.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>It still has some good theory.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Something I've found myself doing is actually going back to the most</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">basic stuff, the first link here, and reading over it again with</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">understanding I've gained from using Pd.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN>My tendency was to skim over</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">it seeking practical info, but all of it will be important to know at</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">some point.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I think people learning languages crave new words more than grammar,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">so maybe Andy's hands-on tutorials will be more stimulating to begin</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">with.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-Chuckk</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">--<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; 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