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<FONT COLOR="#000000">2007/4/19, Hans-Christoph Steiner <<A HREF="mailto:hans@eds.org">hans@eds.org</A>>:</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> On Apr 18, 2007, at 10:33 PM, Alexandre Quessy wrote:</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > Hi,</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > 2007/4/18, Kyle Klipowicz <<A HREF="mailto:kyleklip@gmail.com">kyleklip@gmail.com</A>>:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> I'm sorry, I don't have [gems/duplicate] in the version of pdmtl that</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> I just downloaded. It looks like a neat library though, will it be</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> included in pd-extended soon?</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > <A HREF="https://devel.goto10.org/pdmtl/browser/trunk/pdmtl/gems/">https://devel.goto10.org/pdmtl/browser/trunk/pdmtl/gems/</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > duplicate.pd !!</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > I got to put it in the pd-extended build system, yes... It's just that</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > I am having troubles with the Makefile. I need to translate something</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > like "cp -r * /usr/lib/pd/extra/" into some recursive Makefiles unsing</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > "install -d" and such...</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > See <A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-dev@iem.at/msg01399.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-dev@iem.at/msg01399.html</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > Any help around ? I think the best way to do it would be to copy</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > makefiles around and then :</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > find . -type d | xargs cd && make; done</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > Or something... got to test. I will have more time in May. :)</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> It seems that pdmtl really needs to have multi-level namespaces.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Perhaps in May we could work on making that happen.</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> .hc</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > a</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> I will try to experiment with [repeat], since it is getting</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> tedious to</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> manipulate more than 5 or 6 separate objects in the 'gemiverse.'</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> ~Kyle</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> On 4/18/07, Alexandre Quessy <<A HREF="mailto:listes@sourcelibre.com">listes@sourcelibre.com</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>> Hi,</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>> Consider using the [repeat] object along with [separator]...</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>> See [gems/duplicate] in the SVN repository of the</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>> <A HREF="http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions">http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>> a</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>> 2007/4/17, Cypod <<A HREF="mailto:cypod25@gmail.com">cypod25@gmail.com</A>>:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> Roman is right, just parenting down the chain, with small sphere</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> (proxy</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> geometry) to change the pivot control, from the center to one end.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> where separators come into play is to branch off arms and legs</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> from the main</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> body. The body's transform will still control the arm, but sibling</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> hierarchies wont affect each other. That way you can move the</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> body of the</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> character and the arms don't fall off, but if you rotate the</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> left shoulder</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> it wont affect the right shoulder or legs.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> Thats how I created the dancing man patch, from a wow (World of</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> War-craft)</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> character that my friend build. Its still somewhat crude, but</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> fun to be able</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> to control characters in real-time during your performance.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> On 4/17/07, Kyle Klipowicz <<A HREF="mailto:kyleklip@gmail.com">kyleklip@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> Ok, yes. After tinkering last night a bit I found that it is</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> indeed</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> this simple. For some reason I was getting confused, based upon</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> where</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> I was putting the separators for different branches of the</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> structure.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> I like this top-down approach. It makes it easy to add global</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> modifiers at the top of the gem chain.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> ~Kyle</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> On 4/17/07, Roman Haefeli <<A HREF="mailto:reduzierer@yahoo.de">reduzierer@yahoo.de</A>> wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 23:32 -0500, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>>> Ok, that was a dumb question, after looking at separator.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>>> But it raises some questions for me: is the best way to position</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>>> multi-geo unit, say of a sphere being orbited by smaller</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>>> spheres, best</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>>> accomplished by using a lot of additions, or is there a way</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>>> to chain</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>>> translate objects?</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> if i understand you correctly, this is _very_ simple to</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> achieve. here an</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> example of a renderchain:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> [gemhead]</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> |</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> [translateXYZ] <- translate the whole planet system</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> around</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> |</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> [sphere 1] <- sun</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> |</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> [rotateXYZ] <- rotate around Y-axis</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> |</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> [translateXYZ 2 0 0 ]</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> |</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> [sphere 0.1] <- earth</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> you can also add the moon:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> |</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> [rotateXYZ] <- rotate around Y-axis</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> |</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> [translate 0.2]</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> |</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> [sphere 0.03]</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> hope, that makes it clear how to 'resolve dependencies' in gem.</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> roman</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> ___________________________________________________________</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>> Yahoo! Mail:</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> <A HREF="http://mail.yahoo.de">http://mail.yahoo.de</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> --</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> <A HREF="http://theradioproject.com">http://theradioproject.com</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> <A HREF="http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com">http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())())))</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((())))</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>> ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> --</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> B~</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> <A HREF="http://www.cypod.co.nr">www.cypod.co.nr</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> _______________________________________________</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>>> <A HREF="mailto:PD-list@iem.at">PD-list@iem.at</A> mailing list</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>> --</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>> Alexandre Quessy</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>> <A HREF="http://alexandre.quessy.net">http://alexandre.quessy.net</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>> <A HREF="http://www.puredata.info/Members/aalex">http://www.puredata.info/Members/aalex</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >>></FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> --</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> <A HREF="http://theradioproject.com">http://theradioproject.com</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> <A HREF="http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com">http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> (((())))(()()((((((((()())))()(((((((())()()())())))</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> (())))))(()))))))))))))(((((((((((()()))))))))((())))</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> ))(((((((((((())))())))))))))))))))__________</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> _____())))))(((((((((((((()))))))))))_______</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >> ((((((())))))))))))((((((((000)))oOOOOOO</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> >></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> ></FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > --</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > Alexandre Quessy</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > <A HREF="http://alexandre.quessy.net">http://alexandre.quessy.net</A></FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> > <A HREF="http://www.puredata.info/Members/aalex">http://www.puredata.info/Members/aalex</A></FONT>
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