Yes I had an "injury" months ago and I wanted to use desiredata because of that. What actually helped me was the writing of Dr. John Sarno ("The Mind-Body Prescription" - sounds new-agey but it's not really) - the premise is that most RSI is psychosomatic, and dwelling on it prolongs the pain. I thought about bringing this up on the list before. Attentiveness to this (among other mind-work) solved the problem for me - highly recommended work. Steal the book or borrow it from a library - at least in America we are a heavily overmedicated/hyperdiagnosed society imho.
<br><br>I have heard that in countries where people have not heard of RSI people don't really get it. I can't back that up, but it would be interesting if it is in fact true.<br><br>Kevin<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">
On 4/22/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Alexandre Quessy</b> <<a href="mailto:listes@sourcelibre.com">listes@sourcelibre.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi,<br>The desiredata crowd have done quite a lot of work to help prevent this. :)<br><br>a<br><br>2007/4/22, Olivier Heinry <<a href="mailto:olivier.heinry@manga-burgah.net">olivier.heinry@manga-burgah.net</a>>:<br>
><br>><br>><br>> Help fight agains<br>> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetitive_strain_injury">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetitive_strain_injury</a><br>> Get up and stretch your back !!<br>
><br>> <a href="http://www.workrave.org/welcome/">http://www.workrave.org/welcome/</a><br>><br>> ++<br>> O.<br>><br>><br>><br>> --------------<br>><br>> 2007/4/19, Hans-Christoph Steiner <
<a href="mailto:hans@eds.org">hans@eds.org</a>>:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Apr 18, 2007, at 10:33 PM, Alexandre Quessy wrote:<br>> ><br>> > > Hi,<br>> > ><br>> > > 2007/4/18, Kyle Klipowicz <
<a href="mailto:kyleklip@gmail.com">kyleklip@gmail.com</a>>:<br>> > >> I'm sorry, I don't have [gems/duplicate] in the version of pdmtl that<br>> > >> I just downloaded. It looks like a neat library though, will it be
<br>> > >> included in pd-extended soon?<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> <a href="https://devel.goto10.org/pdmtl/browser/trunk/pdmtl/gems/">https://devel.goto10.org/pdmtl/browser/trunk/pdmtl/gems/</a>
<br>> > > duplicate.pd !!<br>> > ><br>> > > I got to put it in the pd-extended build system, yes... It's just that<br>> > > I am having troubles with the Makefile. I need to translate something
<br>> > > like "cp -r * /usr/lib/pd/extra/" into some recursive Makefiles unsing<br>> > > "install -d" and such...<br>> > ><br>> > > See<br>> <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-dev@iem.at/msg01399.html">
http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-dev@iem.at/msg01399.html</a><br>> > ><br>> > > Any help around ? I think the best way to do it would be to copy<br>> > > makefiles around and then :<br>> > >
<br>> > > find . -type d | xargs cd && make; done<br>> > ><br>> > > Or something... got to test. I will have more time in May. :)<br>> ><br>> > It seems that pdmtl really needs to have multi-level namespaces.
<br>> > Perhaps in May we could work on making that happen.<br>> ><br>> > .hc<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ><br>> > > a<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > >><br>
> > >> I will try to experiment with [repeat], since it is getting<br>> > >> tedious to<br>> > >> manipulate more than 5 or 6 separate objects in the 'gemiverse.'<br>> > >>
<br>> > >> ~Kyle<br>> > >><br>> > >> On 4/18/07, Alexandre Quessy <<a href="mailto:listes@sourcelibre.com">listes@sourcelibre.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > >>> Hi,<br>> > >>> Consider using the [repeat] object along with [separator]...
<br>> > >>> See [gems/duplicate] in the SVN repository of the<br>> > >>> <a href="http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions">http://wiki.dataflow.ws/PdMtlAbstractions</a><br>> > >>>
<br>> > >>> a<br>> > >>><br>> > >>> 2007/4/17, Cypod <<a href="mailto:cypod25@gmail.com">cypod25@gmail.com</a>>:<br>> > >>>> Roman is right, just parenting down the chain, with small sphere
<br>> > >>>> (proxy<br>> > >>>> geometry) to change the pivot control, from the center to one end.<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> where separators come into play is to branch off arms and legs
<br>> > >>>> from the main<br>> > >>>> body. The body's transform will still control the arm, but sibling<br>> > >>>> hierarchies wont affect each other. That way you can move the
<br>> > >>>> body of the<br>> > >>>> character and the arms don't fall off, but if you rotate the<br>> > >>>> left shoulder<br>> > >>>> it wont affect the right shoulder or legs.
<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> Thats how I created the dancing man patch, from a wow (World of<br>> > >>>> War-craft)<br>> > >>>> character that my friend build. Its still somewhat crude, but
<br>> > >>>> fun to be able<br>> > >>>> to control characters in real-time during your performance.<br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>><br>> > >>>> On 4/17/07, Kyle Klipowicz <
<a href="mailto:kyleklip@gmail.com">kyleklip@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> > >>>>> Ok, yes. After tinkering last night a bit I found that it is<br>> > >>>>> indeed<br>> > >>>>> this simple. For some reason I was getting confused, based upon
<br>> > >>>>> where<br>> > >>>>> I was putting the separators for different branches of the<br>> > >>>>> structure.<br>> > >>>>> I like this top-down approach. It makes it easy to add global
<br>> > >>>>> modifiers at the top of the gem chain.<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> ~Kyle<br>> > >>>>><br>> > >>>>> On 4/17/07, Roman Haefeli <
<a href="mailto:reduzierer@yahoo.de">reduzierer@yahoo.de</a>> wrote:<br>> > >>>>>> On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 23:32 -0500, Kyle Klipowicz wrote:<br>> > >>>>>>> Ok, that was a dumb question, after looking at separator.
<br>> > >>>>>>><br>> > >>>>>>> But it raises some questions for me: is the best way to position<br>> > >>>>>>> multi-geo unit, say of a sphere being orbited by smaller
<br>> > >>>>>>> spheres, best<br>> > >>>>>>> accomplished by using a lot of additions, or is there a way<br>> > >>>>>>> to chain<br>> > >>>>>>> translate objects?
<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> if i understand you correctly, this is _very_ simple to<br>> > >>>>>> achieve. here an<br>> > >>>>>> example of a renderchain:
<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> [gemhead]<br>> > >>>>>> |<br>> > >>>>>> [translateXYZ] <- translate the whole planet system
<br>> > >>>>>> around<br>> > >>>>>> |<br>> > >>>>>> [sphere 1] <- sun<br>> > >>>>>> |<br>> > >>>>>> [rotateXYZ] <- rotate around Y-axis
<br>> > >>>>>> |<br>> > >>>>>> [translateXYZ 2 0 0 ]<br>> > >>>>>> |<br>> > >>>>>> [sphere 0.1] <- earth<br>> > >>>>>>
<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> you can also add the moon:<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> |<br>> > >>>>>> [rotateXYZ] <- rotate around Y-axis
<br>> > >>>>>> |<br>> > >>>>>> [translate 0.2]<br>> > >>>>>> |<br>> > >>>>>> [sphere 0.03]<br>> > >>>>>>
<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> hope, that makes it clear how to 'resolve dependencies' in gem.<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>> roman
<br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>><br>> > >>>>>>
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