<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>A lot of GUI could be improved without major changes to all of Pd. At the very least, it could be included in Pd-extended. Once this version of Pd-extended is released, I still have to turn all the GUI tweaks I did into patches and hopefully Miller will accept them.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>.hc</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On May 28, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Kevin McCoy wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">The gui needs work - do you mean we need more/better looking gui objects? When I was working on OS X, I couldn't really use very many gui objects at once because of Apple's crappy closed implementation of tcl/tk; the lag was terrible. Pd devs can't really do anything about that (though it is a huge problem). A significant portion of pd users are on OS X. <BR><BR>Pd's gui definitely does need work, but without a clear roadmap it will be hard to say what priority that is, right? Watching that google talk has me thinking about all kinds of things.<BR><BR>Kevin<BR><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 5/28/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">Damian Stewart</B> <<A href="mailto:damian@frey.co.nz">damian@frey.co.nz</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Roman Haefeli wrote:<BR>> was it that, what you meant by a 'focus'?<BR><BR>for me, the biggest issue is with the UI. almost none of the points in<BR>src/notes.txt deal with the GUI, and certainly there is no talk at all of <BR>gui improvements.<BR><BR>to me the engine works fine - i mean, pd crashes sometimes but this is<BR>usually due to missing or broken externals than to do with anything in the<BR>engine.<BR><BR>it is the gui that needs work. i would like to work on this but i don't <BR>know where to start.<BR><BR>--<BR>damian stewart | +44 7854 493 796 | <A href="mailto:damian@frey.co.nz">damian@frey.co.nz</A><BR>frey | live art with machines | <A href="http://www.frey.co.nz">http://www.frey.co.nz</A> <BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR><A href="mailto:PD-list@iem.at">PD-list@iem.at</A> mailing list<BR>UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <A href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list"> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear="all"><BR>-- <BR><BR><BR>++++<BR><A href="http://pocketkm.blogspot.com">http://pocketkm.blogspot.com</A><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:PD-list@iem.at">PD-list@iem.at</A> mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <A href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> <A href="http://at.or.at/hans/">http://at.or.at/hans/</A></DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>