<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>On May 30, 2007, at 5:24 AM, <A href="mailto:pd-list-request@iem.at">pd-list-request@iem.at</A> wrote:</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Message: 4</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:41:08 -0400</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: Hans-Christoph Steiner <<A href="mailto:hans@eds.org">hans@eds.org</A>></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: Re: [PD] PD i education</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">To: Mikael Fernstrom <<A href="mailto:mikael.fernstrom@ul.ie">mikael.fernstrom@ul.ie</A>></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cc: <A href="mailto:pd-list@iem.at">pd-list@iem.at</A>, Eirik Arthur Blekesaune <<A href="mailto:blekesaune@gmail.com">blekesaune@gmail.com</A>></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Message-ID: <<A href="mailto:D5513EAD-9E3D-4211-9F93-8AC6AB3A2186@eds.org">D5513EAD-9E3D-4211-9F93-8AC6AB3A2186@eds.org</A>></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR style=""></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR style=""></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">We've been using Pd to teach sound and soon sensors/interaction here:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR style=""></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://idmi.poly.edu">http://idmi.poly.edu</A></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV>I have been teaching PD workshops in general, and using PD in a longer term sound course at Academy in Helsinki (<A href="http://mlab.uiah.fi">http://mlab.uiah.fi</A> and . <A href="http://www.kuva.fi">http://www.kuva.fi</A>), next autumn I will teach Physical Interaction Design course at VCD Istanbul Bilgi University (<A href="http://vcd.bilgi.edu.tr">http://vcd.bilgi.edu.tr</A>/), there I will use PD+ Arduino, and also still negotiating with Music Department for a longer term Computer Music courses(PD will be used for teaching materials and projects) <BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR style=""></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I try to make all my materials freely available. It seems that we </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">should all work together and come up with some kick-ass teaching </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">materials. Plus I think it would save us all a lot of work in the </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">long run.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">You might also be interested in Miller's new book which using Pd </DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">directly to teach DSP:</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR style=""></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://www.worldscibooks.com/compsci/6277.html">http://www.worldscibooks.com/compsci/6277.html</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font: normal normal normal 12px/normal Helvetica; min-height: 14px; "><BR style=""></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">.hc</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>that has been one of the PDDP ongoing plans to collect teaching materials as well as teaching strategies related to different PD modules (sound-image-networking-physical) or long/short term courses. I totally agree that it would save alot in a longer run, not only for collecting materials, but for teaching experiences as well. I guess we can bring this as a topic before or during the convention in PDDP meetings.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Koray.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>-------------------------------------</DIV><DIV>M.Koray Tahiroglu</DIV><DIV>Media Lab,UIAH</DIV><DIV><A href="http://mlab.uiah.fi/~korayt/">http://mlab.uiah.fi/~korayt/</A></DIV><DIV>tel: +358 50 939 02 33 ( in Finland only)</DIV><DIV>tel: +90 533 712 8245 </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV></SPAN></SPAN><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN> </DIV><BR><DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">On May 29, 2007, at 6:32 AM, Mikael Fernstrom wrote:</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">I use PD with our MA/MSc students in Interactive Media and (some) in</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Music Technology here at the University of Limerick.</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><A href="http://www.csis.ul.ie/imedia/">http://www.csis.ul.ie/imedia/</A></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><A href="http://www.ccmcm.ie">http://www.ccmcm.ie</A>/</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><A href="http://www.idc.ul.ie">http://www.idc.ul.ie</A>/</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">- Mikael Fernstr?m</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">On 29 May 2007, at 09:39, Eirik Arthur Blekesaune wrote:</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Can anybody help me point out who uses PD to teach electronic</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">music? ..</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">(Algoritmic) Composistion</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Synthesis</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">DSP-theory</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">real-time performance</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">What are the pros and cons for using it to teach DSP-theory?</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Best,</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">Eirik Blekesaune</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">_______________________________________________</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><A href="mailto:PD-list@iem.at">PD-list@iem.at</A> mailing list</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <A href="http://lists.puredata.info">http://lists.puredata.info</A>/</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 20.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">listinfo/pd-list</FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">_______________________________________________</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><A href="mailto:PD-list@iem.at">PD-list@iem.at</A> mailing list</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <A href="http://lists.puredata.info">http://lists.puredata.info</A>/<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 10.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">listinfo/pd-list</FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">------------------------------------------------------------------------<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica">----</FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Helvetica" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Helvetica"><SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN><A href="http://at.or.at/hans/">http://at.or.at/hans/</A></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>