i love this!<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/7/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">jared</b> <<a href="mailto:microcosm11@msn.com">microcosm11@msn.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 03:40:51PM +0100, timon wrote:<br>> Some time ago I was explained the issues of why FTGL libs was not<br>> included GEM for the extended OSX release of PD. The answer did not<br>> make me any wiser. The conclusion was "Compile it yourself". Its a
<br>> shame that such a great tool (as GEM could be) is falling into the<br>> shade by elitist attitude.<br><br>>Sometimes I think what can be perceived as 'elitism' is actually just a<br>>lack of time. Remember that the people working on this aren't being
<br>>paid; they are hobbyists producing code in their spare time. They may<br>>simply not have the resources to solve your particular problem and<br>hence<br>>they ask you to try and solve it yourself.<br><br>All of the work done (out of love, not money) by the pd community should
<br>be applauded. With that said, there is a sense of elitism. I'm not<br>talking only about the PD community here, though. Take the users of the<br>'industry standard' software, such as Logic and ProTools. It's no
<br>secret that many of these users look down their nose at those musicians<br>who use software like Ableton Live, FL Studio, Orion Pro and the like.<br>Then you have the users of more 'academic' software (PD, Max\MSP,
<br>Csound, etc.) who often seem to have a sense of superiority; I've seen<br>Csound users look down on Max/MSP users.<br><br>I remember a couple of weeks ago, someone on this list posted a piece<br>that used PD as the sound generation source, but he then arranged and
<br>mixed the piece in Live. Then someone commented with an elitist tone as<br>to why he used Live at all. Further, I've seen coders look down on<br>those who use anything that isn't purely programming. Everyone loves
<br>their tools, and there will always be a sense of pride in those tools.<br>But, my god, its friggin software! No need to be rude.<br><br>Then again, a lot of my opinion is based upon interaction with other<br>users over the internet. This, in of itself, may be the cause for this
<br>sense of elitism. While talking on forums and lists, I often find that<br>people have very short fuses and are often argumentative or simply look<br>down on 'newbies'. I think that some people are comfortable being rude
<br>or unhelpful because there aren't any repercussions from acting in such<br>a way; they don't have to face the person they're communicating with.<br>I'd like to think that a lot of the people who act rude or elite on
<br>lists and forums wouldn't act that way if you were to talk to them face<br>to face.<br><br>While I'm ranting :-)....In my academic experience, it's often frowned<br>upon to use other's patches in your own compositions because it seems
<br>that the patches themselves are the work of art; and it's almost as if<br>this is considered plagiarism. And while I agree that designing<br>patches/programs/instruments IS an art-form, I don't understand why it
<br>isn't encouraged for composers to use other people's<br>patches/instruments. Can you imagine if Chopin had to build every piano<br>that he ever played? Thank goodness Hendrix was a guitar player, not a<br>guitar builder.
<br><br>I think academia needs to recognize that there are many composers who<br>use computers as a means to an end; who make music with the AID of<br>computers; not to make music WITH computers. There is still a rigid<br>
line that separates the composer and the programmer. Most Music<br>curriculums are still classically based. Most Music Technology<br>curriculums are programming based. What about today's composers who are<br>interested in classical compositional techniques and forms, but who are,
<br>at heart, electronic music composers and want to apply these classical<br>techniques and forms to their electronic compositions with the AID of<br>technology, yet have no interest in programming?<br><br>[steps down from his soap box]
<br><br>:-)<br><br>Jared<br><br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br><a href="mailto:PD-list@iem.at">PD-list@iem.at</a> mailing list<br>UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">
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