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<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hey Andy.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>I personally don't believe there is any sort of line that separates<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>composer</span></font></i></span><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'> from programmer, or sound designer, except that at the two <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>extremes</span></font></i></span><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'> of the spectrum some programmers can be obsessive about<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>technical</span></font></i></span><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'> methodology and never explore aesthetics, and some composers<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>can</span></font></i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> be <span
class=SpellE>nonchalent</span> and dismissive about technical rigor and chase<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>aesthetic</span></font></i></span><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'> results at the expense of understanding and repeatability.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Well said.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>Same goes with analogue purists who have not yet embraced the software
world.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>The force of industry is continually to divide programmers from <span
class=SpellE>practicioners</span>, to demark roles like "creative sound
designer" from "audio programmer" and create neat conservative
little <span class=SpellE>pidgeonholes</span> for HR people to fit CVs into. Of
course this is nonsense. Any good sound designer <o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>or</span></font></i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> musician is
greatly enriched by a knowledge of programming, DSP, <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>physics</span></font></i></span><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'> etc, and at the same time any programmer is greatly enabled <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>by</span></font></i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>
understanding the aesthetics and big picture of a product they work on.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I completely agree.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I think that a balance between technical and
aesthetic disciplines would be a god-send. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>As for "elitism" I either honestly don't see much or
unconsciously choose<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>to</span></font></i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> rise above
it.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Yes, as far as forums and lists, 'rising above' is definitely the best policy.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>My main frustration with elitism (that I've
raised in this thread) was rooted in the fact that this elitism has polarized
the academic landscape; and that I can't find a curriculum that fits my needs.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Higher education is so expensive....I can't justify
paying for something that I'm not passionate about....But, don’t cry for
me </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place>Argentina</st1:place></st1:country-region>
<font face=Wingdings><span style='font-family:Wingdings;mso-ascii-font-family:
"Courier New";mso-hansi-font-family:"Courier New";mso-char-type:symbol;
mso-symbol-font-family:Wingdings'><span style='mso-char-type:symbol;mso-symbol-font-family:
Wingdings'>J</span></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>The greater danger <span class=SpellE>imho</span> is the opposite
problem, a <span class=SpellE>dumbing</span> down of<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>technology</span></font></i></span><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'> to black boxes, <span class=SpellE>proprietry</span> tools, entrenched
conservative<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>thinking</span></font></i></span><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>, "not invented here" syndrome. This makes any<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>composer/designer/creative</span></font></i></span><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'> a slave to tools and methods they don't<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>understand</span></font></i></span><i
style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>. It also hurts industries, like film and games, that<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>become</span></font></i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> entrenched
in very conservative production methodologies<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>and</span></font></i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> <span
class=SpellE>softwares</span> like <span class=SpellE>Protools</span>. This
saps all the real creativity<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>from</span></font></i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> the job and
acts as an anti-progressive inhibitor of<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>new</span></font></i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> ideas.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Amen!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'>But to <span class=SpellE>attact</span> the kind of<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>people</span></font></i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> that would
go with Max or <span class=SpellE>Reaktor</span> we could do with more<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>people</span></font></i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> building,
sharing and documenting high quality <span class=SpellE>synths</span><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><span class=GramE><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-style:italic;
mso-bidi-font-style:normal'>and</span></font></i></span><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:
normal'><span style='font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'> <span
class=SpellE>plugins</span>. <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><i style='mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><font size=2
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;
font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></i></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>That’s a great point too.<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I think that the PD community, as a whole,
would greatly benefit if ‘pure composers’ (for a lack of a better
term) were using it as much as ‘<span class=SpellE>patchers</span>’
were using it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>By the way, I really love what
you’re doing with PD.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><span
class=GramE>Very useful, indeed.</span><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>Thanks.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>What happened to your <span
class=SpellE>VST’s</span>?<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I
can’t seem to find them on your site.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Take care,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Jared<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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