<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Hi Mark,<br><br>I don't understand your problem. When I needed to created my own external, and without previous knowledge of how Pd was implemented, I followed the howto for compiling externals and I could make it without much pain. The howto even have a helloworld example. So, if I were you, I will give it another try. <br><br>Cheers,<br><div> </div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.julovi.net">Julian Villegas</a><br><br>Me pregunto de un modo pensativo<br>Que significa ser Colombiano?<br>No se le respondi. Es un acto de fe<br> JLB.<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From:
"pd-list-request@iem.at" <pd-list-request@iem.at><br>To: pd-list@iem.at<br>Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:42:46 PM<br>Subject: PD-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 136<br><br><div>Send PD-list mailing list submissions to<br> pd-list@iem.at<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> pd-list-request@iem.at<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> pd-list-owner@iem.at<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of PD-list digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. servo control with pduino (olsen)<br> 2. Please explain Windows compiling once and for all! (Mark
Polesky)<br> 3. Re: Please explain Windows compiling once and for all!<br> (IOhannes m zmoelnig)<br> 4. Re: CVS connect error? (Antti Poikola)<br> 5. Re: CVS connect error? (IOhannes m zmoelnig)<br> 6. Re: Please explain Windows compiling once and for all!<br> (Martin Peach)<br> 7. Re: Please explain Windows compiling once and for all!<br> (Martin Peach)<br> 8. problems with Intel MacMini playing video (simon wise)<br> 9. Re: problems with Intel MacMini playing video (chris clepper)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:48:32 +0200<br>From: olsen <sesselastronaut@googlemail.com><br>Subject: [PD] servo control with pduino<br>To: pd-list <pd-list@iem.at><br>Message-ID:
<46822460.1070802@googlemail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>Hi<br>so far for servo movements i'm using the Parallax Servo Controller <br>PSC(USB) & a python script for sending the ascii paragraph to controll it.<br>since the release of pduino 0.3 anyone played around with servos on <br>pduino - would be a nice improvement to pduino controlling servos?!<br>let me know if i could bear somewhere a hand on this<br>greets<br>olsen<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>-- <br>Planet Pluto bleibt!<br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:28:45 -0700<br>From: "Mark Polesky" <middlepedal@gmail.com><br>Subject: [PD] Please explain Windows compiling once and for all!<br>To: pd-list@iem.at<br>Message-ID:<br> <8ff17cb60706270028l26ead89fyc2e590cd0e989d6b@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Hey,<br><br>I'm trying not to get frustrated, seeing how posts like this one (on<br>compiling externals for Windows) are either ignored or answered way too<br>cryptically:<br><br><a target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-06/051182.html">http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-06/051182.html</a><br><br>I posted a similar question to the "PURE DATA forum~" a few days ago, and so<br>far it too has gone unanswered:<br><br><a target="_blank" href="http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-1029-problem-compiling-external-windows">http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-1029-problem-compiling-external-windows</a><br><br>Is compiling an external for Windows so mysterious that no one knows how to<br>do it? The responses that I've seen so far usually amount to "well this is<br>how it's done on linux, try changing this to that and maybe it'll work". The<br>famous external tutorial ( <a target="_blank"
href="http://iem.at/pd/externals-HOWTO/">http://iem.at/pd/externals-HOWTO/</a> ) looks very<br>interesting, but it does me no good without knowing how to get from .c to<br>.pd ...<br><br>The request is simple: List the steps required (without skipping any!) to<br>take the C source file "helloworld.c" and make it into a usable object in<br>pd.<br><br>Someone, please, help me out. Also feel free to tackle the other specific<br>questions in my forum~ post. I'm sure there are plenty of other confused<br>Windows programmers out there.<br><br>Thanks.<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20070627/ec5a285a/attachment-0001.htm">http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20070627/ec5a285a/attachment-0001.htm</a> <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:47:31 +0200<br>From: IOhannes m zmoelnig
<zmoelnig@iem.at><br>Subject: Re: [PD] Please explain Windows compiling once and for all!<br>To: Mark Polesky <middlepedal@gmail.com><br>Cc: pd-list@iem.at<br>Message-ID: <46825C63.4070305@iem.at><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15<br><br>Mark Polesky wrote:<br>> Hey,<br><br>hi.<br><br>unfortunately i am not in the position on fullfilling your request, but<br>i'll give it another "cryptic" try...<br><br>> The<br>> famous external tutorial ( <a target="_blank" href="http://iem.at/pd/externals-HOWTO/">http://iem.at/pd/externals-HOWTO/</a> ) looks very<br>> interesting, but it does me no good without knowing how to get from .c to<br>> .pd ...<br><br>the externals howto's examples are checked in at the sourceforge cvs,<br>they come with a makefile which should be useable on windows too.<br><br>> <br>> The request is simple: List the steps required (without skipping any!) to<br>> take the C source file "helloworld.c" and
make it into a usable object in<br>> pd.<br><br>haha.<br><br>have you tried any online resources: e.g.<br><a target="_blank" href="http://puredata.info/docs/developer">http://puredata.info/docs/developer</a> lists at least 2 pages that only<br>deal with compiling on windows<br>(<a target="_blank" href="http://puredata.info/docs/developer/mingw">http://puredata.info/docs/developer/mingw</a> which basically deals with<br>compiling pd itself on windows; but once you are there, it is simple;<br><a target="_blank" href="http://nul.jp/2002/pd_bc">http://nul.jp/2002/pd_bc</a> deals with compiling externals with the<br>borland-compiler).<br><br>i can give you a step-by-step guide for compiling zexy though (but mind<br>that this is how i _remember_ it; i will not go and search for a windows<br>machine with VC installed just to verify each step).<br><br>- purchase M$ VC6 (elitarism on my side...:-)) and install it<br>- get pd<br>- download zexy (sources!) for free
(e.g.<br>ftp://ftp.iem.at/pub/pd/Externals/ZEXY/)<br>- extract zexy to you favourite folder<br>- double-click on the zexy.dsp (or was it zexy.dsw??) in the zexy/src/<br>folder; this should open VC<br>- to to the Project->Properties (or however this is called in your<br>locale) and change the settings to match your setup (mainly these are<br>the paths to find pd's headers and libraries; you should basically go<br>through every item in the settings for the "release" and/or "debug"<br>builds; the most important stuff is in "compiler->preprocessor",<br>"compiler->path" and "linker->path"<br>- when you are finished, return to the main project window<br>- hit "F7" to start the build.<br>- if you encounter any errors, either the settings are not yet correct<br>(return to item-6) or the project is a bit out-of-date; the latter<br>basically means, that the c-files to be included have not been updated;<br>to fix this, just delete all the c-files from the project file
browser<br>(here this used to be un the left-side of the project-window), then<br>right click on the folder in the project file browser that used to<br>contain these files and select "add"; in the openpanel choose all<br>c-files in zexy/src and hit "OK"<br>- return to item-8 until you stop getting errors<br><br>mind, that you must not use the dll while it is created (best close pd)<br><br>if you want step-by-step instructions for vc7, vc2000, vc2006 and<br>vc3000, please send them to me and i'll give it a go :-) (dev-elitarism<br>again)<br><br><br>pd comes with some externals (e.g. the foo-stuff, or [fiddle~]) and uses<br>makefiles to build these.<br>for this to work, you have to setup your environment correctly:<br>- first open the makefile (e.g. pd/doc/6.externs/makefile) with your<br>favourite text-editor and correct all the paths that are wrong<br>- VC6 came with a vc6vars.bat (ok the name is wrong but something along<br>these lines; it was a .bat-file which would set
your envirnment<br>variables when run; more modern incarnations might do without the .bat<br>- open the dosbox (the rest will happen within the dosbox)<br>- run the vc6vars.bat (or however it is called) if this is needed for<br>your compiler-incarnation<br>- cd to your path (e.g. pd/doc/6.externs/)<br>- run "nmake pd_nt"<br><br>if nmake, cl, link cannot be found, you might want to add the paths to<br>them to your PATH variable.<br><br><br><br>any more questions?<br><br>fmga.dr<br>IOhannes<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:55:18 +0300<br>From: Antti Poikola <antti.poikola@tml.hut.fi><br>Subject: Re: [PD] CVS connect error?<br>To: pd-list@iem.at<br>Message-ID: <46825E36.6010507@tml.hut.fi><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>So far I have used only the libraries, that are included in the <br>pd-extended, but this morning many hours ago I decided to try how to <br>make the ANN
(artificial neural networks) library work in PD.<br><br>I had some initial problems and asked help from Davide Morelli, the cool <br>developer of ANN, who replied me quickly. He told me to use the source <br>files of ANN and compile them. In order to get those files I would need <br>CVS... things are getting more complicated you see :)<br><br>So I downloaded and installed the tortoisecvs ( <br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.tortoisecvs.org/">http://www.tortoisecvs.org/</a> ) and tried to check out (cvs slang for <br>downloading) the ANN sources with the following settings:<br><a target="_blank" href="http://www.tml.tkk.fi/%7Eapoikola/images/tortoisecvs.JPG">http://www.tml.tkk.fi/~apoikola/images/tortoisecvs.JPG</a><br><br>Unfortunately I got the error message:<br>CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/pure-data<br><br>connect to cvs.sourceforge.net:2401 failed: A socket operation was <br>attempted to an unreachable host.<br>Error, CVS operation
failed<br><br><br>I found the old message posted to this list few years ago:<br><a target="_blank" href="http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general/20689/focus=20725">http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general/20689/focus=20725</a><br><br><br>My question remains: do I use the correct settings in tortoisecvs or is <br>there some other like sourceforge server related problem?<br><br>-Antti<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: antti.poikola.vcf<br>Type: text/x-vcard<br>Size: 279 bytes<br>Desc: not available<br>Url : <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20070627/f2e68f42/attachment-0001.vcf">http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20070627/f2e68f42/attachment-0001.vcf</a> <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:34:19 +0200<br>From: IOhannes m zmoelnig
<zmoelnig@iem.at><br>Subject: Re: [PD] CVS connect error?<br>To: antti.poikola@tml.hut.fi<br>Cc: pd-list@iem.at<br>Message-ID: <4682675B.5040609@iem.at><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15<br><br>Antti Poikola wrote:<br>> So far I have used only the libraries, that are included in the<br>> pd-extended, but this morning many hours ago I decided to try how to<br>> make the ANN (artificial neural networks) library work in PD.<br>> <br>> I had some initial problems and asked help from Davide Morelli, the cool<br>> developer of ANN, who replied me quickly. He told me to use the source<br>> files of ANN and compile them. In order to get those files I would need<br>> CVS... things are getting more complicated you see :)<br>> <br>> So I downloaded and installed the tortoisecvs (<br>> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.tortoisecvs.org/">http://www.tortoisecvs.org/</a> ) and tried to check out (cvs slang for<br>>
downloading) the ANN sources with the following settings:<br>> <a target="_blank" href="http://www.tml.tkk.fi/%7Eapoikola/images/tortoisecvs.JPG">http://www.tml.tkk.fi/~apoikola/images/tortoisecvs.JPG</a><br>> <br>> Unfortunately I got the error message:<br>> CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/pure-data<br>> <br>> connect to cvs.sourceforge.net:2401 failed: A socket operation was<br>> attempted to an unreachable host.<br>> Error, CVS operation failed<br><br><br>your settings are _way_ out of date.<br>recent information on how to use CVS with pd's repository can be found:<br><a target="_blank" href="http://puredata.info/search?SearchableText=cvs">http://puredata.info/search?SearchableText=cvs</a><br>and more generically<br><a target="_blank" href="http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=55736">http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=55736</a><br><br>mfg.asdr<br>IOhannes<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message:
6<br>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:17:56 -0400<br>From: Martin Peach <martin.peach@sympatico.ca><br>Subject: Re: [PD] Please explain Windows compiling once and for all!<br>To: Mark Polesky <middlepedal@gmail.com><br>Cc: pd-list@iem.at<br>Message-ID: <46826384.10507@sympatico.ca><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>Mark Polesky wrote:<br>> Hey,<br>><br>> I'm trying not to get frustrated, seeing how posts like this one (on <br>> compiling externals for Windows) are either ignored or answered way <br>> too cryptically:<br>><br>> <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-06/051182.html">http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-06/051182.html</a><br>I guess they get answered over and over again and then forgotten over <br>and over again.<br>><br>> I posted a similar question to the "PURE DATA forum~" a few days ago, <br>> and so far it too has gone
unanswered:<br>><br>> <a target="_blank" href="http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-1029-problem-compiling-external-windows">http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-1029-problem-compiling-external-windows</a><br>><br>> Is compiling an external for Windows so mysterious that no one knows <br>> how to do it? The responses that I've seen so far usually amount to <br>> "well this is how it's done on linux, try changing this to that and <br>> maybe it'll work". The famous external tutorial ( <br>> <a target="_blank" href="http://iem.at/pd/externals-HOWTO/">http://iem.at/pd/externals-HOWTO/</a> ) looks very interesting, but it <br>> does me no good without knowing how to get from .c to .pd ...<br>There really should be a section in that HOWTO for compiling on the <br>different OSs.<br>><br>> The request is simple: List the steps required (without skipping any!) <br>> to take the C source file " helloworld.c" and make it into a usable <br>> object in
pd.<br>If you're on some kind of MSVC, you set up a project to build a dll, in <br>"preprocessor defines" define MSW, in "additional include paths" include <br>the path to pd/src/m_pd.h, link with pd.lib from pd/bin, and in the <br>linker command line add "/export:yourexternal_setup" to export the setup <br>function. All the other functions in your code can be static and don't <br>need to be exported. After it builds you take the dll from the release <br>folder and put it in your pd/extra folder.<br>That should be everything you need, but if it's too cryptic I can go <br>into more detail...<br><br>Martin<br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:39:30 -0400<br>From: Martin Peach <martin.peach@sympatico.ca><br>Subject: Re: [PD] Please explain Windows compiling once and for all!<br>To: IOhannes m zmoelnig <zmoelnig@iem.at><br>Cc: pd-list@iem.at<br>Message-ID:
<46826892.50800@sympatico.ca><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:<br>><br>> - purchase M$ VC6 (elitarism on my side...:-)) and install it<br>> <br>There's a free Express version available that works just as well.<br><br>Martin<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 8<br>Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:12:28 +1000<br>From: simon wise <simonxwise@hotmail.com><br>Subject: [PD] problems with Intel MacMini playing video<br>To: chris clepper <cgclepper@gmail.com><br>Cc: PD list <pd-list@iem.at><br>Message-ID: <BAY140-DAV11834FAD018F4F73C84E23C90A0@phx.gbl><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed<br><br><br>On 27 Jun 2007, at 1:27 AM, chris clepper wrote:<br><br>> What type of video files and at what size? How many clips are <br>> playing on one machine at the same time? What is the
display <br>> resolution? The Intel graphics have some problems above usual <br>> desktop sizes and shader performance is really horrible too.<br><br>I'm using pix_movie to play .dv movies by asking for each frame in <br>turn, so that I can scrub, pause etc with all machines in sync. It <br>works well, except for the intermittent series of hesitations I <br>assume are either dropped or late frames.<br><br>To debug this I switched to using a single machine, no network <br>connections and tested using [auto 1( instead of frame-by-frame - <br>only 1 clip playing in this simple setup. Then tried different codecs <br>- H264, PhotoJPEG each 576x720 and 1024x768. The MacMini is connected <br>to the 1024x768 projector via a short DVI cable. The GEM window is <br>set to fullscreen, frame rate 25.<br><br>There was a slight improvement with the H264@576x720
but the problem <br>was still there. Quicktime could play all the movies at fullscreen <br>smoothly.<br><br>I have some other MacMinis - PPC and intel - coming soon so I'll test <br>these and try higher framerates for GEM. The Intel ones have just <br>been used with Isadora in a similar way and apparently had the same <br>issue. The hesitation is only very noticeable on video with fast <br>moving, high contrast scenes - but it is obvious then.<br><br>Pity about the shader performance - I was planning to use Minis for a <br>more complex setup with masks and some colour correction but I guess <br>I'll need to go with bigger boxes and better graphics cards (probably <br>similar $$), or try to find some old G4 Minis.<br><br>Simon<br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 9<br>Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:20:28 -0500<br>From: "chris clepper"
<cgclepper@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [PD] problems with Intel MacMini playing video<br>To: "simon wise" <simonxwise@hotmail.com><br>Cc: PD list <pd-list@iem.at><br>Message-ID:<br> <a8e0bc960706270720r7b47d4d2t6570d6b2c8cf0c21@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Does it stutter at the end of the clip while going back to the start?<br><br>Do you have any audio in the clips?<br><br>What is the GEM compile date?<br><br>On 6/27/07, simon wise <simonxwise@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>><br>><br>> On 27 Jun 2007, at 1:27 AM, chris clepper wrote:<br>><br>> > What type of video files and at what size? How many clips are<br>> > playing on one machine at the same time? What is the display<br>> > resolution? The Intel graphics have some problems above usual<br>> > desktop sizes and shader performance is really horrible
too.<br>><br>> I'm using pix_movie to play .dv movies by asking for each frame in<br>> turn, so that I can scrub, pause etc with all machines in sync. It<br>> works well, except for the intermittent series of hesitations I<br>> assume are either dropped or late frames.<br>><br>> To debug this I switched to using a single machine, no network<br>> connections and tested using [auto 1( instead of frame-by-frame -<br>> only 1 clip playing in this simple setup. Then tried different codecs<br>> - H264, PhotoJPEG each 576x720 and 1024x768. The MacMini is connected<br>> to the 1024x768 projector via a short DVI cable. The GEM window is<br>> set to fullscreen, frame rate 25.<br>><br>> There was a slight improvement with the H264@576x720 but the problem<br>> was still there. Quicktime could play all the movies at fullscreen<br>> smoothly.<br>><br>> I have some other MacMinis - PPC and intel - coming soon so I'll test<br>>
these and try higher framerates for GEM. The Intel ones have just<br>> been used with Isadora in a similar way and apparently had the same<br>> issue. The hesitation is only very noticeable on video with fast<br>> moving, high contrast scenes - but it is obvious then.<br>><br>> Pity about the shader performance - I was planning to use Minis for a<br>> more complex setup with masks and some colour correction but I guess<br>> I'll need to go with bigger boxes and better graphics cards (probably<br>> similar $$), or try to find some old G4 Minis.<br>><br>> Simon<br>><br>><br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20070627/6ad7533a/attachment.htm">http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20070627/6ad7533a/attachment.htm</a>
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