<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">hey guys<br> <br> I am Giuliano from Brazil<br> i read some emails about future convention <br><br>i think that's really nice when it'll come to Brazil<br><br>here we have a good ambient and reason to<b>
proliferation the free software movement</b><br>and many peoples, institutions and artists to work together <br><br>cheers<br><br>Giuliano<br>_____________________________<br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.giulianobici.blogspot.com">www.giulianobici.blogspot.com</a></span><br>+ 55 (11) 9477-5641<div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Mensagem original ----<br>De: "pd-list-request@iem.at" <pd-list-request@iem.at><br>Para: pd-list@iem.at<br>Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 30 de Agosto de 2007 15:06:48<br>Assunto: PD-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue 86<br><br><div>Send PD-list mailing list submissions to<br> pd-list@iem.at<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a target="_blank"
href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> pd-list-request@iem.at<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> pd-list-owner@iem.at<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of PD-list digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: vbap and matrix external (Kevin McCoy)<br> 2. A basic question re: messages and sequencing (Mat Wall-Smith)<br> 3. Re: 39.3-extended-rc5 - FFT causes audio failure on 1.67 G4<br> (Achim Bornhoeft)<br> 4. Re: A basic question re: messages and sequencing<br> (Stephen Sinclair)<br> 5. OSC bundles with time tag (Torsten Anders)<br> 6. Re:
inconsistencies in msgfile (Mathieu Bouchard)<br> 7. Re: OSC bundles with time tag (Stephen Sinclair)<br> 8. Re: some images... (glerm soares)<br> 9. Re: some images... (Mathieu Bouchard)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:03:34 -0400<br>From: "Kevin McCoy" <km.takewithyou@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [PD] vbap and matrix external<br>To: "zmoelnig@iem.at" <zmoelnig@iem.at>, PD-list@iem.at<br>Message-ID:<br> <6a3473170708300803o57dd39b1x442982667fe4beb3@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>> i do not conisider it deprecated.<br><br><br><br>Ah, sorry about that - I guess I made a mistake there.<br><br>merci,<br>Kevin<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a target="_blank"
href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20070830/9e198855/attachment-0001.htm">http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20070830/9e198855/attachment-0001.htm</a> <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 01:04:19 +1000<br>From: Mat Wall-Smith <mat@slashstarhash.com><br>Subject: [PD] A basic question re: messages and sequencing<br>To: pd-list@iem.at<br>Message-ID: <BB0B4430-B31A-46D1-BFDA-9A5206453C94@slashstarhash.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Hi..<br><br>I've been working in PD on a project and I have two message boxes <br>with a list of numbers. I want to divulge the common numbers into a <br>message or sequence. How best to do that? My second question is how <br>best to write a sequence with those numbers to a file with time <br>information coming from another list (message)
again?<br><br>thats probably clear as mud - if anyone has time to help I'd <br>appreciate it.<br><br>Mat<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20070831/b2b0f737/attachment-0001.htm">http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/attachments/20070831/b2b0f737/attachment-0001.htm</a> <br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:06:34 +0200<br>From: Achim Bornhoeft <achim.bornhoeft@web.de><br>Subject: Re: [PD] 39.3-extended-rc5 - FFT causes audio failure on 1.67<br> G4<br>To: Hans-Christoph Steiner <hans@eds.org><br>Cc: pd-list@iem.at<br>Message-ID: <46D6DCFA.3060901@web.de><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>I have the same problem on a G4, 1.25
Powerbook.<br><br>Achim<br><br>Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb:<br>> <br>> Hmm, that's a strange bug. I can't reproduce this on a Mac/Intel, but I <br>> could on another 1.67GHz Mac runing 10.4.10 My guess is that it's <br>> another manifestation of that same 1.67 Mac audio bug. It worked fine <br>> for me using the latest Pd-0.40.3-extended nightly build:<br>> <br>> <a target="_blank" href="http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-08-01/Pd-0.40.3-extended-20070801-macosx104-powerpc.dmg">http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-08-01/Pd-0.40.3-extended-20070801-macosx104-powerpc.dmg</a><br>> <br>> .hc<br>> <br>> On Aug 1, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Ed Richardson wrote:<br>> <br>>> Browser/Audio Examples/I04.noisegate.pd causes a complete failure of <br>>> audio in Pd-0.39.3-extended-rc5-macosx104-powerpc.dmg.<br>>><br>>> system:<br>>> mac os
10.4.10<br>>> 1.67 GHz PowerPC G4<br>>><br>>> Upon adjusting either the sampler or noise amplitude parameters, there <br>>> is a fairly loud single pop, upon which all audio ceases on the <br>>> computer altogether. Audio will only resume once I quit Pd.<br>>><br>>> Neither of the following strategies in any combination improve this <br>>> situation:<br>>> 48K instead of 44.1K<br>>> use of JACK rather than portaudio<br>>><br>>> I believe several other fft-based patches are affected by this.<br>>><br>>> This is not a problem in any of the following:<br>>> 38.4-extended<br>>> 39.2-non-extended<br>>> 40.2-non-extended<br>>><br>>> ---<br>>><br>>> Also, I'm curious what anyone knows about the frequent Pd-related <br>>> audio card issues with the 1.67 GHz PowerPC G4 Powerbook.<br>>>
_______________________________________________<br>>> PD-list@iem.at <mailto:PD-list@iem.at> mailing list<br>>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <br>>> <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list<br>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br><br>-- <br> Achim
Bornhoeft<br>.- Neckarhalde 38, D-72070 Tuebingen<br>-.-. tel/fax +49 (0)7071 942745<br>-... mobil +49 (0)179 6936930<br> skype:achim.bornhoeft?call<br>--<br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:28:56 -0400<br>From: "Stephen Sinclair" <radarsat1@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [PD] A basic question re: messages and sequencing<br>To: pd-list@iem.at<br>Message-ID:<br> <9b3e2dc20708300828y4753e58asde7872fb45733ad8@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>Hi,<br><br>Not sure about the removal of duplicates, but for your second question<br>take a look at the list-enumerate abstraction.<br><br>(Located in abstractions/footils/list-abs)<br><br><br>Steve<br><br><br>On 8/30/07, Mat Wall-Smith <mat@slashstarhash.com> wrote:<br>>
Hi..<br>><br>><br>> I've been working in PD on a project and I have two message boxes with a<br>> list of numbers. I want to divulge the common numbers into a message or<br>> sequence. How best to do that? My second question is how best to write a<br>> sequence with those numbers to a file with time information coming from<br>> another list (message) again?<br>><br>> thats probably clear as mud - if anyone has time to help I'd appreciate it.<br>><br>> Mat<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list<br>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -><br>> <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br>><br>><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:07:14 +0100<br>From: Torsten Anders
<torsten.anders@plymouth.ac.uk><br>Subject: [PD] OSC bundles with time tag<br>To: pd-list@iem.at<br>Message-ID: <173FD2EC-5106-41CF-AC4B-2DEBF98ECA0A@plymouth.ac.uk><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; delsp=yes; format=flowed<br><br>Dear all,<br><br>I am sending OSC messages from the UNIX app sendOSC to Pd using the <br>Pd object [dumpOSC] -- it worked out of the box, very nice!<br><br>However, it seems that [dumpOSC] always reacts immediately -- <br>regardless of any time stamp (16 figure hex number according to OSC <br>specs). Is it at all possible that Pd delays the processing of <br>received OSC messages because of some time tag which lies in the <br>future? I planned to let Pd do the actual scheduling, because I <br>figured its timing will be rather reliable...<br><br>Thank you!<br><br>Best<br>Torsten<br><br>--<br>Torsten Anders<br>Interdisciplinary Centre
for Computer Music Research<br>University of Plymouth<br>strasheela.sourceforge.net<br>www.torsten-anders.de<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:29:27 -0400 (EDT)<br>From: Mathieu Bouchard <matju@artengine.ca><br>Subject: Re: [PD] inconsistencies in msgfile<br>To: zmoelnig@iem.at<br>Cc: pd-list@iem.at<br>Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708301203020.7566@paik.artengine.ca><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, zmoelnig@iem.at wrote:<br><br>> i have not checked that now, but i am pretty sure, that it does support <br>> files with spaces. however, there is a limitation (that can be worked <br>> around) on pd's ability to create a symbol containing spaces.<br><br>It can also be fixed. If you edit the source code of pd, you only have to <br>change two lines to fix the saving of spaces in symbols, but somehow so <br>far it has been
easier for everybody to write several hundred mails about <br>the topic instead, and figuring out workarounds, teaching workshop <br>students about not using spaces, and pondering whether it's a bug at all <br>and how to think of it as a feature.<br><br>Pd might be Open-Source and all it implies, but for that particular case <br>(and some other particular cases) it just feels like it's a regular <br>freeware in which the author has lost the source code in a hard disk crash <br>several years ago...<br><br> _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ...<br>| Mathieu Bouchard - t?l:+1.514.383.3801, Montr?al QC Canada<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:53:34 -0400<br>From: "Stephen Sinclair" <radarsat1@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [PD] OSC bundles with time tag<br>To:
pd-list@iem.at<br>Message-ID:<br> <9b3e2dc20708300953i2e1eb313p3959f96f9c124ca7@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>So, to answer this post as well as H.C.'s previous query on the topic,<br>I had a look at the dumpOSC code and indeed it doesn't handle the<br>timetags.<br><br>The only related code is the following:<br> /* Print the time tag */<br> #ifdef DEBUG<br> printf("[ %lx%08lx\n", ntohl(*((unsigned long *)(buf+8))<br>), ntohl(*((unsigned long
*)(buf+12))));<br> #endif<br><br>In which the timetag is so nicely ignored completely.<br>Torsten, I suggest you have a look at the OSC objects in the "mrpeach"<br>folder, as I think they have better support for timetags among other<br>things.<br><br>I may play around with creating abstractions using mrpeach objects to<br>replace dumpOSC and sendOSC, as it seems this is about due.<br><br>Steve<br><br><br>On 8/30/07, Torsten Anders <torsten.anders@plymouth.ac.uk> wrote:<br>> Dear all,<br>><br>> I am sending OSC messages from the UNIX app sendOSC to Pd using the<br>> Pd object [dumpOSC] -- it worked out of the box, very nice!<br>><br>> However, it seems that [dumpOSC] always reacts immediately --<br>> regardless of any time stamp (16 figure hex number according to OSC<br>> specs). Is it at all possible that Pd delays the processing
of<br>> received OSC messages because of some time tag which lies in the<br>> future? I planned to let Pd do the actual scheduling, because I<br>> figured its timing will be rather reliable...<br>><br>> Thank you!<br>><br>> Best<br>> Torsten<br>><br>> --<br>> Torsten Anders<br>> Interdisciplinary Centre for Computer Music Research<br>> University of Plymouth<br>> strasheela.sourceforge.net<br>> www.torsten-anders.de<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> PD-list@iem.at mailing list<br>> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br>><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 8<br>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:08:13 -0300<br>From: "glerm soares" <organismo@gmail.com><br>Subject: Re: [PD] some
images...<br>To: " .?:*??*:?.darsha.?:*??*:?. " <darsha.h@gmail.com><br>Cc: pd-list@iem.at, marius schebella <marius.schebella@gmail.com><br>Message-ID:<br> <9693578e0708301008m708ed111k864b7e0e6b819820@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>2007/8/29, .?:*??*:?.darsha.?:*??*:?. <darsha.h@gmail.com>:<br>><br>> Yo Marius :)<br>><br>> Alex Porres would be the one to talk to concerning a convention in<br>> South America...I think there has been some very unofficial discussion<br>> about having it there in 2009....Right Alex?<br><br><br>Hello,<br><br>+1 in Brazil.<br><br>glerm<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a target="_blank"
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years. London. <br>Barcelona. Roma. S?o Paulo. Istanbul. New York. Sounds incredible, and <br>yes, it's not very credible at the moment, it's still almost just <br>name-throwing. I tried talking to a few people about this, but that's like <br>0.1% of the job.<br><br>There ought to be dossiers about each of the cities so that they can be <br>compared and chosen. Each report should include something about who uses <br>pd in that city, which activities are pd-oriented, how the community is <br>organised, which universities and artist-run centres want to give support <br>to a pd convention, whether the national art council(s) or city art <br>council(s) are interested to back it, other possible local funding, <br>possibility of external funding (e.g. any funding programmes that can be <br>applied to a collaboration between Montr?al and/or Graz and the hosts of <br>the 3rd convention). From that point, plans for 3rd, 4th, 5th conventions <br>can be laid out
according to forecasts of readiness of each city's <br>community.<br><br>Montr?al took several years to get ready, in terms of key people deciding <br>to get involved and reserve the time to work on it... I remember trying to <br>throw the idea around in 2004. It wasn't quite credible back then... nor <br>during 2005... I mean in terms of having it happen during the following <br>year: once the team is there and ready, it can take about a year of actual <br>work.<br><br>About 2008, the thing is that since it takes over a whole year to organise <br>something like the Montr?al convention, and no-one wanted to discuss a 3rd <br>convention before the 2nd was over, so it'll take at least a few months <br>before the selection of the next city actually happens, and from that <br>point it'll take roughly a year, plus or minus a few months. At the end of <br>that process it'll already be 2009.<br><br>If you have magic shortcuts that you can take out of your hat,
you are <br>more than welcome (and more than encouraged) to share them.<br><br>Pd Convention is not a franchise, so anyone could actually do something <br>completely on their own and call it Pd Convention 2008, but it'd be a <br>shame if it's not roughly the same size as any of the last two <br>conventions, especially as I know several people who would like to give a <br>hand in making it big enough, no matter where it actually happens.<br><br> _ _ __ ___ _____ ________ _____________ _____________________ ...<br>| Mathieu Bouchard - t?l:+1.514.383.3801, Montr?al QC Canada<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>PD-list mailing list<br>PD-list@iem.at<br>to manage your subscription (including un-subscription) see<br><a target="_blank" href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</a><br><br><br>End of PD-list Digest, Vol 29, Issue
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