<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I think that the Montreal Pd Convention did a good job of being a community event while still having a academic segment. I think this is the best model for the Pd Convention. I think that a day of a barcamp would be really good too.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcamp">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barcamp</A></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>.hc</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 5, 2007, at 9:54 AM, glerm soares wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BR><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">the events could happen one before the other... next SBCM should be in Recife, which is a great beach paradise... </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><BR>...with sharks!... :D<BR><BR>I appreciate the interest of brazilian academics on this situation. But I think that "brazilian PD community" still very immature as a independent group. As far as I know - We don't have real developers as in Austria, Canada and Barcelona. We have the naif curious and the academics. Most of curious are newbies and most of academics are... hidden behind papers :). <BR> I think we have to concentrate more efforts in "realworld" users. To became more envolved in development and exchange MUCH MORE knowledge.<BR><BR>I REALLY respect all the guys that develep PD, but I don't want to suport any show business. I'd prefer to host you in __my home__ than any University (with all respect to intitutions that could support this) - for me the most intersting situation could be something very productive and envolving, much more like a "HACKLAB" than a "Simposium". <BR><BR>And c'mon - Pd on windows? make me laugh. And Sorry the sincerity - Macintoshes are tottaly out of social Brazilian reallity. Here a macintosh notebook is __a price of a car__.<BR>Just think about the meaning of this fetish here. <BR><BR>Support free Software, please! Brazil is the linux child - take care of this. <BR><BR>learn portuguese and meet people. brazil is not a postcard.<BR><BR><BR><BR><learn_portuguese><BR>Galera do brasil e países de lingua portuguesa que usa pd: estamos terminando a tradução dos tutoriais e varios helps do core do pd. temos um servidor subversion a disposição para trocarmos patches. <BR><BR>temos uma lista de discussão em português tambem.<BR><BR>vejam a página no grupo:<BR><A href="http://www.estudiolivre.org/tiki-index.php?page=PureDeposito">http://www.estudiolivre.org/tiki-index.php?page=PureDeposito </A><BR><BR>assinem a lista de discussão.<BR><BR>valeu!<BR><BR><BR> </learn_portuguese><BR></DIV></DIV><BR><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:PD-list@iem.at">PD-list@iem.at</A> mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> <A href="http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list">http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>----------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV> kill your television</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"></SPAN> </DIV><BR></BODY></HTML>