<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Check the pd-msg docs in CVS or in Pd-extended in Help->Browser->manuals->pd-msg for info on dynamic patch creation with Pd internal messages.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Hmm, I wonder how hard it would be to get info on the objects that are currently selected. Something like object numbers and x,y location. With that info, it would be possible in Pd space.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>.hc</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 10, 2007, at 6:17 PM, Thomas O Fredericks wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">Starting from scratch (an empty patch) you can do it with internal messages. But with a currently build patch it is not possible now.<BR><BR>Tom<BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 9/10/07, <B class="gmail_sendername"> Kyle Klipowicz</B> <<A href="mailto:kyleklip@gmail.com">kyleklip@gmail.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> As far as I can tell, you can do this with internal messages to Pd. Am<BR>I off base here?<BR><BR>~Kyle<BR><BR>On 9/10/07, Batuhan Bozkurt <<A href="mailto:batuhan@batuhanbozkurt.com">batuhan@batuhanbozkurt.com</A>> wrote: <BR>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > On Sep 9, 2007, at 10:48 PM, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> >> pat wrote:<BR>> >>> Batuhan Bozkurt a écrit :<BR>> >>>> Hello, <BR>> >>>><BR>> >>>> I've made the switch from Max/MSP to PD 1-1.5 years ago right before<BR>> >>>> I switched my OS to linux and I'm loving almost every moment of it.<BR> > >>>> But there is only one thing I got used to while I was using Max and<BR>> >>>> after all those months of PD programming, I still miss that feature<BR>> >>>> that was made possible with a js addition called "max toolbox". <BR>> >>>><BR>> >>><BR>> >>>> Thanks,<BR>> >>>> Batuhan<BR>> >>><BR>> >>> hello, you might be interested about this:<BR>> >>><BR> > >>> <A href="http://www.piksel.no/pwiki/DesireData">http://www.piksel.no/pwiki/DesireData</A><BR>> >>><BR>> >>> in fact I believe after a discussion with a max user that the macro<BR> > >>> feature of desiredata makes it better than max with toolbox.<BR>> >>><BR>> >> Thanks! In fact I know about desiredata and I'm VERY excited about it.<BR>> >> But it is still alpha and project seems halfway behind the first release <BR>> >> in timeline. But when it is finished, it's gonna make things better than<BR>> >> anything for sure!<BR>> >><BR>> >> So the only feasible option for me is to wait? Or do you have any other <BR>> >> suggestions for me? I can live much better with this simple hack I<BR>> >> mentioned actually, but if it is so hard to implement by myself then<BR>> >> I'll have to wait for sure.<BR> > ><BR>> > I believe that the Max Toolbox is a set of Max patches. I think the<BR>> > same thing should be possible to implement using Pd patches as well.<BR>> > I think you could get some of those features working without too much <BR>> > hassle.<BR>> ><BR>> > .hc<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> Yes, they are a set of patches but they are all implemented in max<BR>> "javascript" objects and they exploit the dynamic patch creation <BR>> possibilities of Max/MSP as you can create patches with scripting in<BR>> there, realtime.<BR>><BR>> Is there any facility like this in PD? Not necessarily javascript but<BR>> some sort of "controlling patches structure from another patch" facility? <BR>><BR>> If there is a way of connecting two objects together with a cable by<BR>> patching, and without actually drawing the connection by mouse then I'm<BR>> sure it will be fairly easy to do it. But I'm not aware of something <BR>> giving that possibility to me. 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